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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]UC Merced is equivalent to UMichigan.

The students admitted to UC Merced are of the same caliber as those admitted to UMichigan.  I'm sure if you taught a class divided equally between UC Merced students and UMichigan students you would not see a difference.

Likewise the quality of undergraduate instruction is exactly the same.

Institutionally, the same resources available to UMichigan are available to UC Merced.

This isn't to pick on UMichigan (you can substitute any other large research university like UVA, UNC, Purdue, UMass, VA Tech, Texas, Iowa, etc).[/quote]

No, these schools are not all interchangeable in terms of their student populations. I teach at a suburban high school. The students who are applying to UM, UVA and UT, are very different from the students applying to UIowa. And for the record, I love UIowa. [/quote]
US News #s before social mobility:
UVA: 25
Michigan: 28
Austin: 56
Purdue: 56
VTech: 69
Merced: 165[/quote]

The current US News is the reflection of the school TODAY! Who cares what the ranking was from 2 or 5 or 10 years ago.  US News says UC Merced is roughly equivalent to those schools, by roughly equivalent, about in the same band.  US News is used as a bible by a huge percentage of people.  UC Merced is on par with those schools if you believe in US News.[/quote]
US News overhauled its entire methodology. You are either a troll or unable to understand cause and effect. [/quote]

DP.  I think the point is that 99% of Americans simply don't care as obsessively as you clearly do about the "methodology."  USNWR will continue to be the primary college ranking source in the U.S. for most people.  Continue to seethe.[/quote]
Because of US News's continuous decline in relevancy, Niche is now the #1 most used rankings system in the U.S.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5810fea5e58c62bd729121cc/t/66df2c8af65e4f679f507a20/1725901962868/studentPOLL+September+2024+Rankings.pdf[/quote]

Never heard of this polling company, so I did a little research.  How funny!  Look at all these universities that are their CLIENTS!  I'm sure they're not biased at all:

https://www.artsci.com/clients/higher-education[/quote]

I took a look at the Niche list. I think the first 50 or so are very reasonable. That list makes a lot more sense than US News.[/quote]

The list of top public universities is very similar to US News.  Also, the methodology is not all that different from US News except that US News doesn't use student reviews.

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The Top Public Universities ranking is based on rigorous analysis of academic, admissions, financial, and student life data from the U.S. Department of Education along for millions of reviews from students and alumni. The ranking compares over 500 public colleges and state universities. [b]This year's rankings have introduced an Economic Mobility Index, which measures the economic status change for low-income students. ACT/SAT scores have been removed from rankings to reflect a general de-emphasis on test scores in the college admissions process. [/b][/quote]

NP.

The part speaks exclusively to the “DEI bump” given to schools who buy into DEI dogma.

The curtain on DEI is being pulled back and we can increasingly expect a return to sanity.[/quote]
Yes![/quote]

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