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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My sister lives in Italy, is married to an Italian man, and has been an Italian citizen for nearly 20 years. They had an incredibly hard time conceiving. She was dead set against surrogacy, which is fine and was her personal choice so they ended up researching adoption. Due to their advanced age 39 and 40, they were told they would never be able to adopt an infant. They would at best be able to adopt a 7 or 8-year-old. They opted for IVF. The Italian government pays for 5 rounds and they ended up having a girl after the 5th round.

I think it's extremely irrational and irresponsible to outlaw surrogacy while at the same time sponsoring IVF. Especially in a country that struggles with birth rates so much. [/quote]

Personally, I think it is extremely irrational and irresponsible to encourage surrogacy. It’s harmful to women and to babies. [/quote]

Please stop. Then you need to bad adoption too. You make no sense. [/quote]

No, they are quite different. Adoption is fixing a problem in that the birth mother doesn’t want to raise the child (conceding that this is actually often untrue and modern infant adoption is often grotesquely corrupt and exploitative). In theory, at least, the birth mother doesn’t want the baby so somebody needs to raise the baby.

Surrogacy on the other hand only exists to provide babies to people who can’t or don’t want to go through pregnancy. It is, in other words, only of benefit to the adults, not to the child. And — let’s be clear here — it benefits wealthy adults while harming people with far less political sway (the newborn and the surrogates).

Which is why it isn’t going anywhere, overall, despite what Italy has done. Wealthy people have bought babies since the beginning of time and they aren’t stopping now. [/quote]

I’m not sure how it’s harming the surrogate. We are talking about gestational surrogacy right?  The kind where the surrogate’s egg is not being used and she is not genetically related to the child.  In this [b]case the surrogate is truly only acting as an incubator [/b]and I don’t see the big deal in a woman choosing to do that for payment is.  I do t see how she’s being exploited. [/quote]

The bolded IS the problem. It's a human being, not a piece of equipment. [/quote]

So what? No one’s forcing her to do it. She’s getting good pay for relatively easy work. [/quote]

[b]What’s the payout if she dies?[/b] [/quote]

???? What's the payout if a police officer, firefighter, anyone else dies during their job?  And pregnancy for the vast majority of Western women, is not a high-risk endeavor.  [/quote]
[b]This shows you know absolutely nothing. The USA has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality. Seriously, why are you debating a situation you are so clearly uneducated on?[/b][/quote]

Ok, so should truck driving as an occupation not be allowed because statistically driving is one of the most dangerous things we do and typically it is the working class and non-college educated who goes into this for a living.

Honestly, there are many more unpleasant, demeaning, and riskier jobs that people regularly do than renting out your womb for 9 months to provide a child (that you are not genitically related to) for another couple.

It beats my job, and I'm a college educated professional.  [/quote]

Then why aren’t you one, if it’s so easy and lucrative? Put your uterus where your mouth is.[/quote]

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