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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, I’m an atheist and agree with you to a large extent. I am personally and politically supportive of full abortion rights—but I live in reality. Abortion is scary, sad and unfortunate for most people in the world. It should be rare. It shouldn’t be glorified. The left’s insistence that none of this can be said out loud cost us Roe. And telling every woman who empathizes with a fetus that she is against women’s rights—when viability is getting earlier and earlier…it makes no sense. Anyone who has had a miscarriage or seen a fetal scan knows it’s natural to attach emotion to abortion. When the tiny percentage of women who really don’t feel anything regarding abortion (Chelsea handler etc) become the dominant voice, you lose credibility. [/quote] What are you even talking about? That is 100% not what caused the loss of Roe. If this were about abortion, rather than control, the White Christian Nationalists wouldn’t also be going after contraception. Oh wait, unless you also believe that the only sex that should occur is that between and husband and wife and only for the express purpose of procreation. In which case, we’re not going to agree and this is futile. But let me tell you, if they get a chance they’ll try to legislate this, too. Clearly you aren’t a Democrat and think “the left” is Chelsea Handler. Wtf. Since when was she anyone of import? What’s the point of this conversation? People who believe life begins at conception and that any abortion is murder aren’t going to be swayed by anything, and especially if you think Chelsea Handler speaks for anyone or anything. Also, keep out of our bedrooms and bodies. Don’t start none won’t be none. [/quote] I’m a divorced middle age feminist and I don’t think men are all that, but even I don’t see how some nutjobs are going to pull off banning contraception when at least 90% of men will not want it banned. Most men nowadays are not clamoring to have tons of children, and prefer for their female partners to have paying jobs. [/quote] 70% of America supports Roe and look what happened to that.[/quote] If Roe really had the support you think it does, people would be voting the guidelines into law nation wide. Your issue is simple, support for Roe’s terms aren’t as widespread nationwide as you think they are. They are in some areas of the US and not in others.[/quote] They are supported by a majority in both blue states and red states.[/quote] Again, if you had the votes you think you did, the laws in states like Mississippi would be different. That’s how representative democracy works. [/quote] Representative Democracy as defined by gerrymandered voting districts. And a Presidential election by electoral college, which gives outsized power to certain states and regions. I’m not suggesting it’s wrong, but [b]don’t claim that the reason this has unfolded in the manner I has is because it’s anything other than a minority having outsized power. And now you’re going to feel the majority backlash.[/b] [/quote] Exactly. [/quote]
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