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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Dishonest? Public flagships like U Mich and UNC have a mandate to cater to in-state residents. The transfer admission rate for each is skewed by the acceptance of in-state students who excel in community college in years 1-2. Which is exactly how it should be.

[quote=Anonymous]Nothing wrong with ED. What is wrong in my opinion is schools with very high transfer rates but low freshman acceptance rates. Like Umich, UNC. NYU, etc. NYU has a 37% transfer acceptance rate, but 8% freshman rate. That's dishonest.  [/quote][/quote]
It's dishonest, they could have easily accepted them as freshman, they clearly have the space. Im so tired of people constantly making excuses for publics, that never allow the same grace to private schools. They're just not elite schools and they're pretending to be. You can't be egalitarian and elitist, they need to choose one and stand on that hill. But 15% freshman acceptance rates from Umich and UNC but 40....yes FOURTY % acceptance rates as transfers is embarrassing. They could balance it out more but they won't because they know most aren't paying attention. [/quote]

Respectfully, do you know how transfers work?

And you understand that some people don't perform so well in HS and CC gives them a chance to prove they are worthy of admission?

And some choose 2 years at CC for financial reasons and don't even apply to the flagship until after?

Most importantly, why is this a hill to die on?  [/quote]
Many of you choose ED as your hill.... like I said nothing is inherently wrong with transfers, there's something wrong when the transfer rate is substantially higher than the freshman rate. Every student deserves a second chance. 
 [/quote]

But you haven't explained why there is "something wrong when the transfer rate is substantially higher than the freshman rate".

Are you suggesting they are purposefully rejecting freshmen applicants they have room for?  The statistics would indicate otherwise.

Are you suggesting they have zero attrition between freshman and junior years?  That seems unlikely.

Are you suggesting the cohort of transfer applicants is the same size relative to the open spots as freshman admission?  The CDSs indicate otherwise. For example, Michigan had 84,000+ freshmen applicants on their last CDS and 5,633 transfer applicants.  Totally different formulas and really impractical to compare the way you do.  Especially without any explicit evidence of a conspiracy theory.[/quote]
The freshman retention rates for UCLA, Berkeley and Umich is 98%. The evidence is in the cds profile. 
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