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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The UCs have gotten the most flak but it is pretty easy to find issue with any mega large state school.  Take UFlorida.  [b]They don’t even guarantee on campus housing to freshman  and  offer a number of classes, including core business  major classes, as online classes.[/b]  The school actually offers a program to kids not offered regular admission where the entire first year of classes.

The big public classes do a decent job of educating at ton of in state  at a relatively low price, Florida schools are often free to students with strong grades.  But there are trade offs that often make the oos price unpalatable to some families.

I personally am not aware of similar complaints about Michigan other than it is difficult to be admitted to certain popular majors.  Unlike the others, Michigan has a very large percentage oos students so perhaps they have the money and local cost of living that prevents some of these issues.[/quote]

It's hard to believe OOS parents would opt to pay for this type of 'education' if you can even call it that. We all lived through online schooling during Covid. We all KNOW it is not comparable to being in class with peers. My DC goes to a private and while recorded sessions are an option to view later, Every. Single. Class. has been in person, and taught by a professor, never once in three years has it been a TA. [/quote]

What is the size of the school where your kid goes? [b]Where do they attend that they don’t have TAs? Name the school. [/b]

Some kids need a lot of hand holding and personal attention. Everyone learns differently. Some folks prefer in person, some prefer online, independent book based learning. Some prefer independent research with little instruction to learn. To each his/her own. However, just because you prefer in person, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone.

That said, it is NOT just an OOS issue. IMO. - It is a large university issue. [b]Large private schools use TAs and large lecture formats too[/b]. Johns Hopkins has lecture classes of 400+ students and that typically meet 1x week with TAs for discussion.
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Not all of them. USC is pretty large. Professors teach every single class.
I made the earlier comment btw not to indicate that it is an OOS issue, but that it is a large public university issue as evidenced by the many comments on this thread of several public universities struggling with their resources, and as that is the case, I do not comprehend why any parent would choose to pay elevated OOS tuition rates (in some cases approach private school tuition rates) for such an experience. 
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This thread with examples from Cornell and Johns Hopkins prove the issues you are highlighting are not confined to large public universities. They are issues at all universities and you need to do your research when selecting a university. That said, your theory is flawed about this being a large public university issue.[/quote]

Isolated bigger lectures at private schools (none remotely approaching a 1000 students)isn’t really the same as having a multiple of issues with housing, class size, impacted majors, online classes, inability to get required classes,  lack of advising, etc. ..  You have to look at the whole picture. [/quote]

DP.  Once again:  my kids attend three different large state schools.  None of them have had any of the issues you describe.  They’ve had in-person advising from prior to their freshman year.  The advisors have helped them map out their four year plan and they are all on track to graduate in four years.  No overcrowding issues either.  And most definitely, no classes even approaching this ridiculous “1000” number some of you love to keep repeating.

In short, it sounds like you heard something on Reddit about one state school and have decided it must apply to all of them.  It doesn’t.  Get a grip.

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You need to get a grip, no one said these were issues at all state schools.[/quote]

Actually, quite a few posters said exactly that.  Though maybe it's just one poster sock puppetting.[/quote]

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