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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We've had 15 pages of republicans berating democrats for believing things about covid that have been proven to be wrong in hindsight.

Now I'd like a republican to address why they keep saying Biden has open borders even though he expelled a record number of migrants in 2022 while he had title 42 available. And continues high numbers of returns and removals without title 42. I get that many of you would like more, but that's not open borders. Are you post-truth on that?[/quote]

Both can be true. Biden’s policies can be accurately described as open border while he also simultaneously expels record number of migrants (because record numbers are coming due to those policies).

I’m not a Republican, though. [/quote]Love the irony! But no it can't.

You've really distilled post-truth to it's core with this nonsense disguised as paradox. Kudos on contributing to the downfall of society.[/quote]

Sometimes I wish I could be as simple-minded as you and the other PPs who believe that the Democrats are always on the side of truth and science and right. It would certainly be easier to go through life believing anything my side said was unquestionably always true and right, just because they said it. Never having to entertain a critical thought, never questioning leaders, just always trusting: it is appealing in a way. I’m a little jealous of the simplicity that must bring to your life.

[i]But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.[/i][/quote]

DP...  for simple mindedness, take a long hard look in the mirror.  For not one single one of your flaky MAGA talking points about masks and the pandemic has even held up to even the lightest of scrutiny on this forum, along with lacking sufficient evidence to support your cause.  And then you have the audacity to feign righteousness and invoke Orwell when the reality is that it's you who is mired in self-delusion and toxic propaganda, lacking a solid footing on facts and reality.  You've proven that to us, repeatedly.[/quote]

I have never voted for Trump and will never vote for Trump. I’m a registered Democrat, just not one that slavishly believes every single thing the Democrats say simply because a Democrat said it. It has been very disturbing to me to watch people like you gain power in the Democratic Party, people who are wholly unable to question anything said by their leaders, who lash out at any science that contradicts the mandated beliefs of the Party. If Biden’s campaign manager told you that you needed to believe that the sky is now neon pink, you’d immediately stand outside and talk about how pretty the neon pink sky is, and how everyone believes the sky is neon pink, and the science shows the sky is neon pink. You’d criticize anyone who talked about how the sky is not neon pink, you’d dismiss any evidence contrary to your new belief, because the Democratic Party told you the sky is neon pink and now you believe that.

I used to believe that the Democrats were the party of science, but people like you, with your party-over-science at all costs ethos, have convinced me otherwise. You are as bad as the MAGA. You can’t think critically, you will never, ever question what you are told, you will never once ask a hard question. You will simply believe everything, because a Democrat said it. [/quote]

"I'm a Democrat" - who spews a constant stream of frothy bile and hatred at Democrats, and who peddles MAGA talking points, every chance you get.  And you certainly are no defender of science or truth, given you have not been able to make your case in any fact-based way supported by science, and in fact have repeatedly been slapped down by citations posted by others.

You're wasting your time here.  Nobody here believes you and we are nowhere near as impressed with you as you are with yourself.    [/quote]

[b]Actually you’ve lost on every scientific point you’ve attempted to engage on, and you don’t even understand that. It’s actually kind of funny.[/b]

You are threatened by people like me, who won’t blindly believe everything the Democrats say because a Democrat said it, so you lash out with fury.

The Democrats are losing voters. This is incontrovertible at this point. And what are they doing in response? Acting like you: insisting on rigid orthodoxy of thought, purging the Party of dissent, embracing suppression of speech with an alacrity that would make Xi proud. It’s exactly the opposite of what should happen, but Party power now resides with people like you now, who cannot countenance an independent thought and who will never tolerate science or truth that contradicts the word of a Democratic politician.

You’re going to get Trump elected, you know.

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Tell me, what exactly did you win on?   I haven't been on for the entirety of this thread but the things I engaged on were:

1. "Masks don't work" citing the Cochrane study.   Except they do work, there are many independent real-world studies from around the world that prove this, and there's a reason that surgeons wear them - because they work.  Not a win for your side.

2. "Mask mandates don't work" - claimed, with zero evidence cited to support it.  And again, there are numerous studies from around the world which included mask mandates which showed effectiveness.  Not a win for your side.

3. "Yabut toddlers can't properly put on or keep on a mask" - sure but thankfully most people aren't toddlers and the toddlers generally have grown-ups to help them with that.  You maybe get 0.3 of a point on that one.

4. "Yabut surgeons have to get properly fitted for N95 masks" - untrue.  Most surgeons wear the same N95/KN95 commercial ear-loop masks that the rest of us wore during the pandemic.  There's no special "fitting" for those.  You're thinking about respirators, which is a totally different thing.  Not a win for your side.

You didn't win much of anything on any of the discussion that I was part of.  What's pretty funny is that you got your ass kicked and can't own up to it, you're evidenly stuck in the denial and delusion stages of grief.  And no, hon - I'm not in the least threatened by you, given I kicked your ass.[/quote]

LOL. You didn’t even understand the argument, let alone hold it. I think it’s hysterical that what you wrote above is what you think this conversation has been about. Man. You are so dim. [/quote]

Cool story bro.  Everyone here understands perfectly that you lost the debate.  Repeatedly.  And your lack of any cogent response other than a dippy "man ur dim" only further makes the case.
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