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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can see people are upset because they have an investment, whether emotional, financial, or ideological, with the current modus operandi at most elite colleges so they are bitterly resistant to the changing realities surrounding elite higher education these days despite that Silver cites data showing significant shift in public perspectives on higher education and elite higher education.

This is what people thought of a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 1994: highly accomplished and brainy nerd.

This is what many people now think when they encounter a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 2024: Either a legacy admit from an extremely connected and / or wealthy family (nepotism) or a mollycoddled diversity admit benefiting from a system that rewards identity over merit. And both will bring the same increasingly annoying social justice warrior outlook largely divorced from reality.

Silver is not a right wing MAGAtard, he is a Democrat and sold his polling business to the NYT. But like a lot of very intelligent nerds, Silver doesn't shy away from frankness.

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You are an idiot. [b]The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades.[/b] The average student now is miles ahead of the 1994 student in terms of academic indicators. Same with the wealthy kids; at the top schools everyone has the scores that's why they add other factors to select.[/quote]
what no?

[img]https://america.cgtn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/HARVARD_CRIMSON.SAT_RACE1.chart_.jpg[/img][/quote]

Let me school you a bit. Go to your chart. Check the X axis. The scale of the chart is designed to make it seem as if there are big differences amongst the scores, but the average score for all races is some form of 700. At Harvard, they taught us (even the minorities) how to discern lies backed by stats and charts. [/quote]

NP--Exactly. The difference between the average score for those of Asian descent (around 770) and those of African descent (around 720) is the difference between the 99th percentile and the 98th percentile. Even Mensa takes the top 2%.[/quote]
I bet if you show both sections of the SAT, the difference would be wider.[/quote]
Both would still be 95th percentile and above.
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1400 is very different than 1600[/quote]

How so?[/quote]
200 point difference. That's a lot. You can't tell me that you find a 1400 as equally impressive as 1600.   The median SAT scores for top tier colleges used to be > 1400.    Those colleges even see the difference.[/quote]

We aren’t comparing 1400 and 1600 here. Average black score according to chart is 1440 average white score is 1480.  So 1440 and 1480.[/quote]
and Asian score is 1550, but as the Harvard case shows, the rate of their admissions is far lower than that of Blacks.[/quote]

Chances are the “Blacks” got that score in one seating, because they did not have the money to repeatedly take that test until they hit 1550.
And then, the “Blacks” manage to graduate!

Yes, scandalous I know. 
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Many of these Blacks are of Nigerian and Ghanian descent or from UMC households where the families emphasize education and do take the SATs multiple times.  Also, why is it always assumed that Asians are not poor. 75% of NYC specialized HS students are Asians and many of these HS (greater than 50%) are from low income households and believe me the kids are not taking SATs multiple times. Not all blacks are poor and all Asians rich. I think College Board should specify how many times kids take the SAT (and who gets accomodations) or have just one day when everyone takes it, to eliminate all this speculation.[/quote]

however, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Asians at Harvard (and similar schools) are UMC+, not poor. Not sure how to find those data points, as I don't believe CDS breaks things down by race and SES.  It would be nice if they broke down test scores/gpa by SES, as I think that is more relevant than Race.  I think it would show that some of the "lower scores" do come from those kids with disadvantaged backgrounds.  Once again, those "lower scores" are only slightly lower and really don't have an impact IMO.  720 vs 780 is not a huge difference
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