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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can see people are upset because they have an investment, whether emotional, financial, or ideological, with the current modus operandi at most elite colleges so they are bitterly resistant to the changing realities surrounding elite higher education these days despite that Silver cites data showing significant shift in public perspectives on higher education and elite higher education.

This is what people thought of a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 1994: highly accomplished and brainy nerd.

This is what many people now think when they encounter a freshly minted Harvard graduate in 2024: Either a legacy admit from an extremely connected and / or wealthy family (nepotism) or a mollycoddled diversity admit benefiting from a system that rewards identity over merit. And both will bring the same increasingly annoying social justice warrior outlook largely divorced from reality.

Silver is not a right wing MAGAtard, he is a Democrat and sold his polling business to the NYT. But like a lot of very intelligent nerds, Silver doesn't shy away from frankness.

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You are an idiot. [b]The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades.[/b] The average student now is miles ahead of the 1994 student in terms of academic indicators. Same with the wealthy kids; at the top schools everyone has the scores that's why they add other factors to select.[/quote]
what no?

[img]https://america.cgtn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/HARVARD_CRIMSON.SAT_RACE1.chart_.jpg[/img][/quote]

Let me school you a bit. Go to your chart. Check the X axis. The scale of the chart is designed to make it seem as if there are big differences amongst the scores, but the average score for all races is some form of 700. At Harvard, they taught us (even the minorities) how to discern lies backed by stats and charts. [/quote]

NP--Exactly. The difference between the average score for those of Asian descent (around 770) and those of African descent (around 720) is the difference between the 99th percentile and the 98th percentile. Even Mensa takes the top 2%.[/quote]
I bet if you show both sections of the SAT, the difference would be wider.[/quote]
Both would still be 95th percentile and above.
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1400 is very different than 1600[/quote]

How so?[/quote]
200 point difference. That's a lot. You can't tell me that you find a 1400 as equally impressive as 1600.   The median SAT scores for top tier colleges used to be > 1400.    Those colleges even see the difference.[/quote]

But it IS a bell curve.  Meaning at 1400 is much closer in performance to a 1600 than it is to a 1200.  The difference between 1600 and 1400 is the same as it is between 1350 and 1400.  And[b] it’s completely reasonable to conclude that the lower one is a more desired applicant based on other factors[/b].  [/quote]
yea, like race[/quote]

Well you can play the race card if you want, but it could also be any number of things.  Overcoming a disadvantaged background (irrespective of race), showing some leadership, artistic or musical talent, athletic ability, essay writing.  Maybe that person was a pied piper at their school and blazed trails and got great ECs.  Maybe they pushed themselves and challenged themselves and took a longer commute to go to a better HS.  Maybe they cared for younger siblings or came from a broken home or had an unstable family and had to move around.  Maybe they didn’t have a multigenerational expectation of academic achievement and had to figure out on their own how to succeed without the scaffolding so many kids have.  Maybe you’re looking at things through a certain lens to grind your axe. [/quote]
A PP stated that Black admits have just as high scores as Asians -- quote from above: "The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades".

Presented with evidence which shows the contrary, now you are saying.. "well, they have some other qualification like their disadvantaged background".

That may well be true, or not, you have no idea what the background is of any admit, including the high scoring Asian students.  But, the goal post keeps moving.

Assertion: "The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades".
Evidence presented: it's not
Goal post #1: 700 is not that different to 770
Evidence: that's just one section. Doubling it, 1400 is very different to 1540
Goal Post #2: "well they have other factors like  disadvantaged backgrounds"...

There is nothing that shows how many of those Black (or Asian or White) students are from disadvantaged backgrounds in that chart, but that's the leap you made.

Also, a lot of those high scoring Asian students have leadership and great extra curriculars, too.  Asian students with only great grades know their chances of getting in is slim to none since they already have a higher bar than any other group.

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