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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]just listen very carefully to AOs when asked this question - and they're all asked it.

we've heard quite a lot of top 20 presenters say, "my advice is to look up our numbers from last year, and submit if you're at 50% or higher"

they want their averages to go up - it works for their rankings.[/quote]

Sounds like you are describing a game of Blackjack.

If don't gamble it works like this:

Try to get as close to 21 without going over.  Whoever has the highest number wins.

The trick is in inducing the other players to keep reaching for higher numbers until they break through 21 and are out of the game.

Most people think they can only win with a 21. People who gamble for a living win with 16s all the time.[/quote]

I’m not describing that at all. Test scores are becoming as relevant to top 40 schools as major math awards.  You are not dinged by not ever participating (gambling). You are awarded for being top winner (1540+). Schools like to say they have this many debate champs, history day winners, math medalists.  And that 1550 avg matters to their marketing and ranking.

But opting out of all of it doesn’t hurt and will soon be standard. [/quote]

A quote from the Harvard Crimson

[quote]Admitted students from the Class of 2025 had an average SAT score of 1494 and an average ACT score of 34. These numbers varied significantly along athlete and income status. Recruited athletes had an average SAT score of 1397, whereas non-athletes averaged 1501. The average SAT score of students with family income under $40,000 was 1443, while those with a family income of more than $500,000 averaged 1520. Legacy students also had a higher average SAT score than non-legacy students, at 1523 for legacy students and 1491 for non-legacy students. [/quote]

Nobody but nobody needs a 1540 to get in. Opting out may not hurt. But folks should be clear-eyed about the facts. You don't even need a 1500 to get into these schools. This whole conceit that [b]schools want you to apply test optional if you don't have a 1540+ is wrong[/b]. [/quote]

The schools aren't saying this.

The test prep companies and tutors are.

[b]Rational people like most of the college counselors are citing the 50% in CDS.[/b]

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This year many college counselors are shifting to within the 25-75 range.[/quote]

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