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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can’t stand Nate.  He reminds me of every entitled male that thinks of himself as a nice guy who is mistreated and unappreciated by the world and walks around with a massive pissy chip on his shoulder and doesn’t recognize that it’s his own pissy passive aggressive attitude that turns everyone off—not that “nice guys finish last.”  [/quote]

Huh, I don't get this at all.

First, he actually was a nice guy. Like for the first season and a half, he legitimately is a nice, if low-self-confidence, person. Not a jerk and not pissy.

I'm on the fence about his resentment that built up in season two. On the one hand, I have actually been in a similar situation professionally before, where I was promoted based on merit but then sidelined because of personal relationships in management and not give much to actually DO in my promoted position. It's a really hard position to be in, especially when you are hungry for more responsibility and to grow professionally, as Nate is. On the other hand, his reaction to this was childish and outsized (he should have just talked to Ted; his communication skills are lacking). On the third hand, one somewhat childish outburst is not a huge deal IMO. I think it cuts both ways.

And finally, he's actually been perfectly nice to Jade, the one woman we've seen him with. She was actually the one who was randomly rude/aggressive towards him when they first met, and she softened not because he was an aggressive jerk but because she takes pity on him when he gets stood up on his date and then they talk and discover they have things in common.

I don't think Nate is the best character ever, but I don't understand comments about what a horrible person he is. The worst thing he's done is publicly trash talk Ted in a press conference, which was hurtful and mean. But also not even close to being uncommon in that role or that sport. And you could see he was unsure of doing it -- he said those things out of hurt but was being goaded into it by Rupert. There's nuance there.[/quote]

Exactly.  Nate was actually a lovely young man in the beginning, who had never been noticed or appreciated by anyone.  Once we meet his father, it becomes evident why - he's never had his father's love or approval.  He is a damaged soul, but Jade is helping him realize his intrinsic goodness.[/quote]

Disagree that Jade is somehow responsible for him finding his goodness. I think it's coming from self-reflection, some of the stuff he learned from being around Ted, and also encouragement from his mom and sister (who are the ones who actually get him to ask her out by giving him some information about his similarly avoidant, non-verbal dad).[/quote]

Yeah, no need for the white savior trope here.[/quote]

? It was more like the love-of-a-good-woman trope.

Yes, actor Nick Mohammed is obviously not a WASP. But has the show ever said much about Nate's immigrant culture? I can't remember much. Nathan Shelley is a fairly British name (think Mary Wolstoncraft Shelley who wrote Frankenstein). Sort of like Aziz Ansari's character, Tom Haverford, on Parks and Recs. I actually like how this works, but let me know if I'm missing something.[/quote]

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