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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]First, if OP's DD has all the desirable qualities OP describes plus $160K in her 529, she is going to have some excellent choices for college, including many reputable SLACs that give merit aid to strong students, just not top 5. She is not going to be spending 2 years at CC and transferring to state U flagship (which would be fine by the way). My experience as a lawyer is that law school matters, not undergrad. If you have a student that is looking at law school, I would go a step further and suggest it is worth considering saving the money on undergrad (meaning go to a school that offers merit aid or a solid in state public) even if you have the cost of private undergrad saved and use the money for law school, which is more expensive that private undergrad these days and law school rank absolutely matters for job opportunities. However, assuming that there would be a cognizable advantage provided to OP's daughter by attending Wellesley, then OP may want to consider whether the benefit is worth the loss of "wiggle room" in their family budget. It is indeed a privilege to have that choice. [/quote] OP never talked about their kid going to law school, so not sure how that was inserted into the discussion. The below list represents where Yale law school students went to undergrad (this was from 2020). The list below represents 397 kids out of total enrollment of 676 (so 59% of the class). The top 10 schools sending kids to Yale law school represent 46% of the entire school. Just so happens those are all Ivy League + Stanford + UChicago. Sure, you will now argue that it is not the undergraduate school that mattered, just that those kids were very motivated but just happened to pick those schools. Yale (90) Harvard (54) Columbia (34) Princeton (31) Stanford (22) Dartmouth (21) Cornell (19) UChicago (18) Brown (17) Pennsylvania (16) Georgetown (13) Berkeley (13) Duke (10) Northwestern (8) USC (8) Michigan (8) JHU (7) UVA (7) Amherst (6) Swarthmore (6) Bowdoin (5) NYU (5) Tufts (5) UCLA (5) UConn (5) UNC-Chapel Hill (5)[/quote] Sure, but Yale lawyers end up notoriously miserable and unhappy for the rest of their careers, so it’s not really that much of a win in the end. [/quote] Look, this conversation somehow got hijacked by law school. OP never said their kid was interested in law school, but then somehow it was introduced and started to dominate. Personally, I think law school in general is a terrible decision...but would agree you need to really go top 10 or it is an horrific decision. A bunch of posters then said it doesn't matter where you go undergrad, but absolutely does matter where you went to law school. Yale is historically the #1 law school, and it is clear that it DOES matter where you went to undergrad if you want to increase your chances of acceptance to Yale (and I bet Harvard and Stanford and law schools 2-10 look fairly similar).[/quote] One can also argue that the type of students who want to attend T20 schools (ivies) are more likely to do well on LSAT/want to be lawyers. Students at the T20 schools are all top students, with good SAT/ACT/GPA/ECs, etc. Whereas while other schools are great schools they have a more academically diverse student body. So yeah, a Cal State school is not sending 10 students to Harvard law, because A) they don't have as many students who want to be lawyers, and most kids at a cal state school are not wealthy. They are also largely a group of students who can afford to attend law school (hello $300K+....most MC families cannot support that, same as for med school. And the years for ROI are long, so many may enter the workforce rather than dumping $300K + they do not have into law school). So essentially, the T20/Ivies are a grouping of all really smart people, many of whom are wealthy and can afford to consider Law school. So I'd expect them to send a higher percentage of students to top law schools than a school that is more academically diverse (and economically diverse) [/quote]
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