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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding. [/quote]

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good).  Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."  [/quote]

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?[/quote]

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.  [/quote]

It really not. So stop tripping. Everything is a tool. Nobody is saying that folks shouldn't eat healthy foods or exercise even while taking these meds. If you eat badly while taking these meds, they won't work. So stop being ridiculous.[/quote]

I'm not talking about while taking the meds.  I have no experience with the meds and what you can/can't do while taking them.  [b]I'm talking about encouraging healthy eating and exercise BEFORE people reach the point of needing the meds.[/b]

I'm glad you agree it shouldn't be perceived as fat shaming.  I think it is just simple health and common sense.  I don't know why it is so controversial here.[/quote]

You must be 50 years older than me because my entire life I’ve been absolutely bombarded with public health messages about eating and exercise, from school to parents to public health PSAs. I knew how to count calories as a kid and how many calories were in the school lunch items. [/quote]

I don't know, I'm in my 40s, also grew up with all the public health advice and exercise, *followed the advice*, and I'm still average weight now deep into peri-menopause, so....?  What I'm hearing is that we should no longer tell people this advice because it makes them feel bad when it doesn't result in their weight loss, and instead we should just be happy they can now take drugs.  Which is great that there are now drugs, but on the other hand, we should not give up encouraging people to take personal responsibility for healthy lifestyle habits.  Which yes, also includes other things like sleep, reducing stress, minimizing alcohol, etc.[/quote]

I did too and I’m 39.  I also have a split family of some obese, some normal weight.  The obese family members ate terribly as long as I can remember.  Now in their older age they are all on diets.  The normal weight people ate much less in volume, were more active, and ate healthier foods.  They talked about calories and portions.  I remember learning to read nutrition labels and what a portion size looks like in health class in middle school.  I am a heathy weight but I have a huge appetite.  I would love to eat dessert every night and probably seconds of it.  I would love to eat several slices of pizza when we order it, but I have 2 instead.  If my pants get tight, I start scaling back how much I’m eating.  People need to be empowered that regardless of “genetics” they DO have the power and control to not become obese if they stick to a heathy diet (both in volume and quality) and lifestyle.  I do believe they’re or outliers that are just not capable of having moderate intake and for them I am glad there are drugs that can help with that.  But
I don’t believe that is most people [/quote]

I think you derive joy and a sense of moral superiority from tracking your weight and food, and that’s why you’re so unwilling to accept that the cause of obesity isn’t a moral failing. It would require you to let go of the idea that the source of our healthy weight is your piousness. [/quote]

I'm not PP, but give me a break.  She is giving a practical example of how people in her own family, with similar genes, have different lifestyle behaviors that made them obese.  Showing that lifestyle habits do have an impact on weight.  It is just crazy to deny this.  Over a lifetime of these habits, that can make the difference between obese or not. 
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