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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Those kids aren’t there. They aren’t motivated. They can be motivated by staff but generally are not of their own accord. You have to spot the kids who could succeed despite everyone around them not having that potential and none of them showing the interest or effort.

We aren’t talking about strivers hiding behind dumb peers getting as while their compatriots drool. It’s a culture of nonachivement. [/quote]

Yes these kids are there in the schools. You test them going into 1st grade and track those who do well.  Doing it early identifies the kids with potential.

It’s rare the self driven kid.  The majority of kids in elementary, even high performers, are not truly self driven.  But when the kid is put among higher performing peers, a lot will rise up and do better.  My son is like this and so are many others.

Sure, there is the self driven kid going to a poorly performing school who will succeed despite everything around them.  But they are outliers, not the norm and rare. Studies clearly show that peer group performance has a significant impact on a kid, especially of low SES and less educated parents.

Some studies have also shown the benefits of G & T programs on low SES kids[/quote]

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