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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP,  thanks for not blaming the URM boogeyman like most of the grievance-,filled DCUM posters do when their DC doesn't get admitted to his/ her college of choice.[/quote]

God damn it. Some of you act like admissions standards aren't quantifiably lower for URMs and first gens. The data is readily available: they are. And each of those acceptances means one fewer acceptance for students -- many of them sons and daughters of people who post here -- not in favored demographic groups but with much higher stats. It's bull crap. And just to preempt the response I'm sure is coming, yes, legacies have gotten the same favorable treatment for many years. That's bull crap too.[/quote]

A poor brown kid did not steal your kid’s spot. Try harder next time.[/quote]

You have no idea, do you? [/quote]

Maybe it was a white athlete or a white legacy who stole the spot. Or maybe it was the white kid who had exactly the same stats and similar ec’s and is from the same school who stole it.

Or maybe the essay was meh and even of the admits were a class of 100% lilly-white upper class kids your kid still wouldn’t have gotten in. [/quote]

+1[/quote]

All of what to say could be true.  Equally true is that dropping test scores, which led to an avalanche of applicants who would never be considered, combined with the stated desire to identify and give preference to minorities is leading to a less qualified applicant pool.   Hence, the legal challenge brought against Harvard and UNC.[/quote]

Says you.  What is more impressive, a good score from a kid with no advantages or your privileged, prepped and supported student with a better score?  It is very debatable.[/quote]

Yes, I do say, as does multiple courts of law, which is why the issue is at SCOTUS.  And what negates your position is the assumption that those who have the better stats are “privileged, prepped and supported”.  It is not true.   There is no debate.[/quote]

You've decided "qualified" means test scores. Colleges are free to define "qualified" in other ways.

Grit, determination, character, motivation, dedication, creativity, kindness, focus, special skills and talents. All of those things could make a student more "qualified" to join an incoming class than someone who scores less on those elements, especially if they are present in a situation where a student has faced tough odds.[/quote]

Every trait you just listed is subjective as shit! And easily faked, too -- even the sleaziest among us could find a few sympathetic teachers or community members to write glowing recommendation letters attesting to our "character" or "kindness" or "creativity." And then you throw in meaningless terms like "dedication," what does that shit even mean? Fact is, test scores, class rank, GPA and course rigor are the only objective measures of smartness that colleges have, and the reason schools are doing away with them in favor of more arbitrary and subjective categories is to make it easier to meet cosmetic diversity benchmarks. The fact that it's politically incorrect don't make it untrue![/quote]

So are SATs (subjective).

Signed, 
Former SAT prep teacher[/quote]

No more than your hight or weight, signed former nutrition expert
[/quote]

DP: Very much more subjective than your height or weight.  Those are direct measurements.  SAT purports to measure something akin to knowledge/critical thinking/academic aptitude and there is mixed evidence on its ability to do so successfully.[/quote]

Subjective means different people would put a different number on it. Creative? I give the kid a 5 and you give them a 2. SAT score? You answer x questions you get Y score no matter who grades it. We can argue if it is fair or if it is relevant but we know how to calculate the score [/quote]

Yeah, PP doesn't seem to understand what the word "subjective" means and is confusing subjective with something more like meaningful or valuable.[/quote]

Subjective as an indicator of student quality,  not in terms of evaluating the actual score. You are viewing too narrowly. I am the test prep teacher.  These tests are very subjective in terms of types of problems and prep.[/quote]

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