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Prepping for a test is in no way ‘gaming the system’.

Prepping for a CoGar test is as much ‘gaming the system’ as shooting 50 free throws is or practicing soccer drills.

Both are practice.  And practice helps your improve your skills.  In test-taking or in sports.  Why is one acceptable to you and not the other?  Or is it just dependent on the race of the kid doing the practicing.  [/quote]

You're making a good case for MCPS dropping the CogAT test permanently.[/quote]
DP.. let's say they drop cogat.  What measure should they use?

[b]I'd be ok with MAP scores.[/b]  But, do you think that if the only looked at MAP scores that the demographics of the high scorers would look that differently?[/quote]

Why? Kids that did math prep would score high. Kids who didn't get advanced math instruction would score low. Do you think that's a good way to identify high-ability students who aren't getting their needs met at their home schools? I don't.[/quote]

So how would you propose we identify high ability? [/quote]

Still thinking? [/quote]

Here's the thing.  There is no way to identify high ability through testing that isn't impacted by practicing for the test.  So either we all agree not to practice or we all agree not to use tests.  Or...the school systems uses "multiple measures" and a lottery to reduce the distortions caused by practice effects which in turn result from differences in family resources.  But you want to know the test so your DC can benefit from differences in family resources.  That's fine too.[/quote]

Why are you making assumptions? There are many posters here - not just one. I don't want to know the test at all. I am absolutely fine with it being completely secret format/novel/changed every year. Would you be ok with that? [/quote]

Sorry, my mistake.  Thread seemed to have gone over to hating MCPS because they won't say right now what test they will use. But here's the thing - The gifted child advocacy groups all say use multiple measures.  They don't say mean " multiple tests. "  MAP scores are profoundly influenced by outside exposure to material beyond grade level.  COGAT results are "invalid" if you take the test to close to your prior taking of the test.  SAT lets you take the test multiple times and just use your highest section score from each of several attempts. Testing is a game, not a valid determiner of the difference between 92% intelligence and 99th %.  The schools are attempting to cope by using multiple measures and lotteries.  That's where we are.  Some are happy, others are unhappy, especially some of the people who have DCs with 99% scores as that seems to them to prove what they believe about deserving DC. [/quote]

and how do these gifted child advocacy groups that you refer to measure giftedness?[/quote]

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