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If you have to include Berkeley in the list, I agree that this is about the right position it should be at.
Berkeley is a public school. By definition it has to accept many in-state students that it would otherwise not accept if it were a private. So you have different quality of peers.
Also, if you ever took some popular courses at Berkeley, the huge size of classes (some in thousands) would immediately remind you this is not what an elite school experience should be. You would not have that kind of yuk feel at a private. That's the difference.
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Have to agree. Both me and my spouse are Berkeley alumn. One of my first impressions of Berkeley was from freshmen Econ 1. Wow! Professor was a super charismatic lecturer, a nobel laureate. I tried to always sit in the first few rows of the jam packed 1000 seat auditorium, and he is still a tiny figure on a huge stage. I never interacted with him, only his TAs. My GF at the time was inspired to major in economics but could not get accepted into the department (or the business admin dept) despite multiple appeals in her Jr year. They treated undergrads like dirt.

And yes, being a public university, they seek to admit a student body that reflects CA demographics. And they have to take transfers from CCs. So while there are super smart students in Berkeley, as in other state schools, the quality of the average student would not be as high as in privates despite the school's world-class reputation.

While we encouraged our DC to apply to several UCs, they were not among our top choices. Not even close. Then, they aren't easy to get in so you can't call Berkeley or UCLA safeties.[/quote]

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