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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.[/quote]

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There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment.  The vast majority do not.  Enough of this crazy segregation.  Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.[/quote]

Guess what? The vast majority of kids are NOT in AAP.  So there you go. It’s fine.[/quote]

depending on the school, just under half are.[/quote]

Yep.  At center schools, it’s practically 50/50.  Very divisive.  And for no reason.[/quote]

Teachers cannot provide the type of education that is needed to 4-5 groups of kids in their classroom. Kids who are advanced, whether that is because their parents read to them, played math games, and supplement or because they are bright or gifted, need to be challenged at school. Asking a Teacher to teach kids who are SPED, kids who are struggling, kids who are on grade level, and kids who are advanced when they have 25-30 kids in the classroom is inefficient. The kids who are advanced end up in reading groups/math groups that work solo and seldom work with the Teacher. Their needs are not met because they are going to pass exams and advance to the next grade with little help.

We wouldn't think of cutting SPED classes because the kids need those services, why would we cut AAP when there are kids who need those services. Or should we allow kids who are ahead of their classmates to be bored in a classroom and receive little instruction that challenges them?

[b]Kids have options in Middle School and High School so that they can take classes that are more challenging while others take a class that is less in depth because that is a good fit for them. Elementary School kids do not have that choice. Why should kids who are ahead or advanced have to wait for Middle School be able to take classes that are interesting and challenging for them? [/b][/quote]

then make aap a choice. Problem solved, no more complaint about admissions or appeals, no more bemoaning a lack of minorities. If a kid and their family want it, they request it and get it [/quote]

DP.  But that’s pretty much the process now. You can appeal every year. If you’re not getting in it’s because your kid really doesn’t belong in the program. Which is fine. Relax, you can push them to succeed in their gen Ed class. If they are far ahead in gen ed  they’ll make it into level 4. If not, what is your problem exactly?[/quote]
You really think that???? I guess AAP parents have to convince themselves the only reason their kids got in vs kids with same or better stats is bc their kid belonged in AAP.   Child please.   I have a kid in AAP and even I know the system is rigged.
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Rigged how? Are there marginal cases where a kid didn’t get in that probably could keep up, sure.  And vice versa. Appeal. Everyone I know who has appealed gets in! The only people I know who complain about AAP are parents whose kids are not ahead, and would not do well in an accelerated class—they’re not doing well in a regularly paced class! The reason the pace is faster is because the kids can keep up. Now, if you’re saying that’s not the case, that the kids aren’t actually more capable of a faster pace, then they wouldn’t actually be moving as fast as they do. It’s the peer group that makes the program work.  If everyone was in, it’s be exactly the same pace as general Ed and exactly as inadequate for the 20% or so of kids who need a faster pace to stay engaged in learning. Ans yeah, my kid is one of those. You’re kid might have been fine in gen Ed, but maybe that’s because they are one of the marginal cases.[/quote]
What are you blabbering about PP? Your post makes no sense.[/quote]

This post makes sense to me. I’ll add for us that it’s the pace and the people — when your kid is in the percentage that truly needs it, trust me, it’s not a brag. There are usually some deficits that come along with a super high IQ and oftentimes it’s in the social realm. AAP has been a game-changer academically and socially for my child and quite a few others I know. My child’s needs are finally being met in the classroom in an environment where he’s accepted and appreciated by teacher and peers. That wasn’t the case in GE. [/quote]

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