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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Since most Americans, including Democrats and black Americans, are in favor of voter ID requirements, what is it that those who are pushing against voter ID requirements are angling for? [/quote]

Great question.[/quote]

It isn’t being done in good faith. It is intended to suppress black and Latino and young voters. It may look neutral to you but the people pushing it know that their state and local election officials will always apply rules more strictly to obstruct black voters. They will make it harder for some people to get the required IDs or to update IDs and they will continue to put up other obstacles to suppress black votes, e.g. rigging precinct size, location, capacity, staffing to ensure long lines and waits. These racists cannot be trusted to enforce election laws fairly and equally. They have no intention of doing so. This is not targeted at fraud. It is targeted at depressing turnout among certain types of eligible voters. [/quote]

So this is about what you FEEL their goals are. There's a whole lot of hypothesizing and impugning motives in these discussions. There are many states that require voters to have ID that are not Republican led states. [/quote]

DP.  I have not seen one reason for voter ID laws backed up with evidence for their necessity on this thread.  It’s ironic that you are so dismissive of FEELINGS because that’s the only reason you want voter ID.[/quote]

Countries all over the world require voter ID. Are they all paranoid? Services and purchases of all kinds require ID. Should the US stop with all the nonsense? [/quote]

Countries all over the world make it EASIER for their citizens to vote — with national holidays, automatic registration, and expanding rather than reducing different voting options.  “All kinds”?  Wow! If you’re going to argue for the relevance of your point, generalizations such as “all kinds” and unspecified “nonsense “ really aren’t helping.

This is starting to feel like trying to get sense out of Tucker Carlson: unsupported opinionated generalizations that are trying to masquerade as genuine arguments when, really, they’re more like entertainment. [/quote]

From two pages back. I suppose you can choose to hop on a 17 page thread without reading anything that came before, but it makes one look like an ass. Allow me to spoon feed you:

You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools
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There are many fallacies to this argument. The truth is, and I've experienced it firsthand, is that if your family has lived in a small rural town for generations, you don't need it for almost anything local because EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU. Like everybody. Hell, they knew me, and I'd been gone for 35 years. I didn't show any ID when I went in to cash my mother's checks.

So you won't show ID at your bank, or to apply for a job at the local supermarket, or to get into the local bar, or buy alcohol, or to get a library card, or to get into the local government buildings.

The other thing you keep ignoring is people's circumstances change. So in the case of my father, he had all that ID at one point, but as his health and memory failed - and someone stole his wallet -- paperwork went missing and it created a cycle that many people find themselves in:
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once you lose a government photo ID, is hard to replace, and the REAL ID act has made it MUCH harder.[/b]

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/real-id-passport-problems

If recent research is any indication, the Real ID roll-out doesn’t need any more obstacles to success. According to a study conducted by the US Travel Association last fall, millions of Americans are unprepared for the looming deadline, [b]with an estimated 99 million saying they don’t have any form of ID that will be accepted come 1 October, and an estimated 182 million – a whopping 72% of respondents – saying they either don’t have a Real ID-compliant license or they’re confused about the concept as a whole. [/b]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/what-happens-to-people-who-cant-prove-who-they-are/2017/06/14/fc0aaca2-4215-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html

https://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/real-id-hurdles-1.42605271

and

A Dead-Simple Algorithm Reveals the True Toll of Voter ID Laws

Critics of voter ID laws have had a difficult time proving their menace in court. A new algorithm could change that.

Recently, however, researchers at Tufts University and Harvard University[b] demonstrated that it's possible to match individuals across government databases with nearly perfect accuracy, using just a few basic identifiers like a person’s name, date of birth, and address. [/b]They developed the algorithm while working as expert witnesses in the Department of Justice's case against Texas. Now, in a newly published paper, researchers Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and Eitan Hersh of Tufts have explained the underlying methodology. Their goal, according to Hersh, is to create a system courts can easily understand, which can not only be used in future voter ID law cases, but can also help dispel some myths about who those laws do and don’t hurt.

"You're down to a small percentage of the population that doesn't have an ID," says Hersh. That's one reason why, despite Alabama's restrictive voter ID law, black turnout in the recent Senate election still exceeded expectations. [b]Still, while the percentages may sound small, that 4.5 percent still represents 608,470 Texas citizens who could potentially be disenfranchised.

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