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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]With all the focus on UVA on DCUM, it ends up four insignificant places in front of the University Florida in this rating.  Since USNWR added the Pell grant metrics, it really has brought a bunch of schools, particularly the UCs, up the ranking[/b]s.[/quote]

[b]You're looking at the wrong ranking.[/b]  All college counselors know that public and private universities cannot be compared - they have different missions to their states, hence, agricultural offerings at VA Tech, etc. andin-state v. OOS issues. The correct USN&WR rating for UVA is the "Top Public Schools" where UVA comes in no. 4 after UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. For 27 years UVA was no. 2 and sometimes no. 1 public, always above Michigan.  When USN&WR started incorporating Pell Grant recipients as a criterion to be looked at, UVA dropped to No. 4 because Michigan has more Pell Grant recipients. But if you know anything about Pell Grants, you know that UVA and the other schools have no ability to affect their Pell Grant numbers since that is a function of the state's populace.  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.  If a school is in a wealthier state per capita, their Pell Grant recipient numbers will necessarily be lower.[/quote]

They were looking at the right ranking.  Florida is 30 and UVA 26th.  If you want to look at the public schools only, then yes, UVA is only 2 spots ahead of Florida.  Schools can do things that affect Pell grant applications.  They can recruit more in less affluent school districts.  They can accept more people from less affluent areas (which might lower overall admitted stats).  UVA already gives significant admission advantages to certain minorities (blacks and Hispanics).  T[b]hey can avoid doing ED (which has wealthier applicants).[/quote][/b]

It’s odd how shocked people here are that Florida, a state with over 20 million people, and no elite private schools (unless you count Miami) might have a couple of decent public schools. A large number of Florida kids are choosing to stay in-state because it’s affordable and space is limited at the top. The higher-ranked Florida schools are not easy to get into, at least compared to other “party/football” schools.

It’s like Florida is the New Money, Riff Raff, who should never have been allowed in the club.[/quote]

Sure but until recently those schools weren’t considered strong despite not having elite privates. Something else changed. [/quote]

Both UF and FSU have been steadily rising in the rankings for the last 10-15 years. I think it’s just a combination of population growth, affordable tuition, and a decent state-funded scholarship program that is encouraging top Florida students to stay in-state. Why pay six figures to go out-of-state when you have this option?

You could argue that these schools are nothing special to out-of-state kids paying full sticker. But they are a great deal for in-state students.[/quote]

ED is irrelevant for pell grant purposes.  The student applies and gets in a few places.  THEN, the parents file the FAFSA in the spring before college.  Only after the EFC is known (usually after a student has made their decision) can eligibility be determined by the U.S. Department of Education and Congress, [b]and usually only for a family income of less than $20,000[/b].  UVA offered only 729 ED offers last year for a class of 4,200.  If a high school counselor has signaled that a particular student might be a Pell Grant candidate, then UVA might accept them (if they met the high GPA and stats and ECs needed) offering to meet full need, or the Blue Ridge Scholarship if applicable, or first generation scholarship if applicable. But then both UVA and the student have to wait until the student's family files the FAFSA and a determination is made.[/quote]

Cite. I think it’s higher than that[/quote]

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