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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]With all the focus on UVA on DCUM, it ends up four insignificant places in front of the University Florida in this rating.  Since USNWR added the Pell grant metrics, it really has brought a bunch of schools, particularly the UCs, up the ranking[/b]s.[/quote]

You're looking at the wrong ranking.  All college counselors know that public and private universities cannot be compared - they have different missions to their states, hence, agricultural offerings at VA Tech, etc. andin-state v. OOS issues. The correct USN&WR rating for UVA is the "Top Public Schools" where UVA comes in no. 4 after UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. For 27 years UVA was no. 2 and sometimes no. 1 public, always above Michigan.  When USN&WR started incorporating Pell Grant recipients as a criterion to be looked at, UVA dropped to No. 4 because Michigan has more Pell Grant recipients. But if you know anything about Pell Grants, you know that UVA and the other schools have no ability to affect their Pell Grant numbers since that is a function of the state's populace.  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.  If a school is in a wealthier state per capita, their Pell Grant recipient numbers will necessarily be lower.[/quote]

[b]This is astute. Adding pell grant recipients made this list pure bullshit. [/quote][/b]

It is BS.  Unfortunately, most people don't understand how Pell Grants work.  Why "penalize" a public university when it has no control over the number of pell grant applicants it has?[/quote]

Are you sure that they have no control.

Also, taking the socioeconomic status of the students makes sense to me. If a school is delivering good outcomes with less-affluent students, that’s arguably more impressive than a school that delivers similar outcomes with only rich students. Without this consideration, rankings are just a self-perpetuating stratification of students by socioeconomic background, broadly speaking.[/quote]

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