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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well Stephen Hawking rejects argument #1 - 3 and arguably #6.  He says there is no need for God in the current understanding of the origin of the Universe.

The way I think about it is this:  Suppose the only thing that exists, pre-universe, is the possibility of a universe.  Let's say that there is a 1 in infinity minus one chance that there will be a universe.  Fortunately, there are infinite opportunities for a universe to happen, so a universe happens.  (This all takes place when there's no time either, but let's not try to bend our mind around that.)  Let's say that unlike our universe, the universe that happens is one in which fundamental truths about our universe to not hold true.  Instead of E = MC^2, for example let’s say in this universe E=MC^3.  I have no idea what that would specifically mean, but I understand it that fundamentally messing with the laws of the universe would make it unstable, in which case it collapses on itself we’re back to the no universe state with nothing but the possibility of another universe.  But again, we have infinite chances, so another universe inevitably happens.  Maybe that’s our universe, or maybe it takes infinity minus one tries to get to our universe, but eventually you get a stable universe, and here we are.

So that gets rid of the design argument.
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this is so stupid.  E=mc^3 isn't even dimensionally correct.  What idiocy!    And the odds calculation reminds me of the high school teacher who said the odds that the LHC would create a black hole that devours the universe is 50/50.  What an uninformed attempt at a calculation of odd!

What are you, a lawyer or something?[/quote]

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