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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration.   Please just stop.[/quote]

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position.  And, please focus on the actual question in the post.  Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies?  Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree.  And, this is the Democratic party position.

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We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

[b]And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.[/b]

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

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I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.  [/quote]

And you can post all the BS articles you want.  The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood.  Financially and otherwise.  [/quote]

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?[/quote]

PP here

Spouse and I are currently having this very discussion.  We are lucky in that we've paid off a good chunk of our mortgage, and can leave.  Two of our neighbors have already left, and one family skips MCPS for private school.  However, we're not sure where to go!  MoCo has had illegal immigration affect the entire county.  From what I understand, Fairfax County faces similar challenges.

We'll see.  We're not the only ones in our Middle Class suburb wrestling with this issue, however.  And, we're not White, FWIW.  We've lived in a very diverse, solidly middle class area on MoCo for over 15 years, but recent years have led to a complete lack on housing code enforcement, etc, which has led to declines in our neighborhood.  It's been a bummer to watch.  [/quote]
DP. My parents' neighborhood has really gone downhill too as a result of the influx of non-English speaking immgrants, a percentage of which are illegal. (The school rating is a 3, and the worst in MoCo.) The majority of students are on free lunches and a very high percentage are ESOL. There are five and six cars in front of many houses, with multiple families squeezed into SFHs. It's sad. It used to be an upper-middle class neighborhood when I lived there.

[b]Anyone who claims that an influx of uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking families does not bring down a neighborhood doesn't live in one. 
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This, exactly.  OP, we're looking at you.[/quote]

Op here. One of the favorite places I lived was a 95% dominican neighborhood in NYC. I am not scared of Spanish, I guess? [/quote]

That's nice.  Why did you leave?  Do you plan to go back and raise your kids there so that they can attend school in that neighborhood?  Be honest, please.

I'm not scared of Spanish either.  What does that even mean?  I speak Spanish, lived in Spain for a few months, and have traveled around Central South America.

Why would you even mention being 'scared of Spanish'.  Do you think that the only uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking families in my MoCo neighborhood are Spanish speakers?  Not even close.  Maybe your racist tendencies are showing.

The people who are here illegally are from all over the world.  We have Asians, Muslims, Jews, everyone.  Illegal immigration is not limited to one language.  [/quote]

sorry - I guess it's just that you're scared of non-white people.  my bad. [/quote]

Okay?  I’m that PP and I’m not white.  I’m scared of myself?  Nope.  But I do dislike the overcrowding in my neighborhood.  I dislike that my kids’ schools have to spend SO much money on ESOL, at the expense of other programs, like Art and Music. I dislike that our once family-friendly park gets overrun by people drinking later at night (yes, we neighbors have called the Park Police and filed complaints, but the MoCO is not very responsive).  I dislike that we’ve had more hit and runs where people run into your car and just leave because they are driving illegally and/or don’t have car insurance.

Look, we live in an area in MoCO that was a nice, family-friendly place to live and raise kids.  In the last 12 years, we have had a HUGE influx of illegal immigrants from all over the world.  And it has led to a decline in my own standard of living, in my own neighborhood.  That makes me sad.  [/quote]

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