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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a person who has lived overseas, Americans have a very strange idea of how free healthcare works.

20-30% of the national budget goes towards it and increases every year. Most countries want to get rid of it.[/quote]

It's 21% of our budget. At least in other countries everyone is covered.[/quote]

In other countries most people behave like responsible adults.[/quote]

Right. Subsidizing other people’s poor choices and bad habits (obesity, heart disease, smoking related disaeases) is how “responsible adults” operate  :) [/quote]

You don't get it.

Insurance works well in other countries, with very reasonable costs, because most people there behave like responsible adults: good diet, exercise, self-control, family support...so sick rates and costs are way lower.[/quote]

Have you ever even been to those countries and seen how many people smoke in Germany and France [/quote]

Seriously...and not just smoking. People don't really exercise in europe and are increasingly obese, even in France (gasp!)

First hit on google, and this data isn't even that recent: "The data showed the incidence of obesity in French women in 2014 was 24.0% and among French men 23.8%"[/quote]

How does that compare with US rates?

Because that's the point.[/quote]

Actually, if you had critical reading skills, you'd have gotten that "the point" was providing counterfactual evidence to the claim that "people behave like responsible adults" in Europe and "other countries," which is the reasoning PP presented backing the claim that insurance works well outside the US. He/ she also mentioned "good diet, exercise, self control" as mitigating factors, which is clearly not the case if a quarter of your country is obese. That was my point. I don't need to bring in the US when I'm pointing out that a) people in other countries are not as healthy you claim so b) this means there are likely other reasons why their insurance works "well," if in fact, it does.

If you must know and can't google for yourself, roughly a third of America is obese. [/quote]

So, US obesity rates are 50% over those in Europe (achalky they are higher, but let's go with your google numbers).

That's quite a difference, don't you think?[/quote]

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