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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Business -- Michigan 7, UVA 13 UMD 48
Education -- Michigan 14, UVA 16 UMD 33
Engineering -- Michigan 4, UVA 40 UMD 22
Law -- Michigan 8, UVA 9 UMD 49
Medicine -- Michigan 15, UVA 26 UMD31
Nursing -- Michigan 8, UVA 20 UMD 13
Biology -- Michigan 23, UVA 46 UMD 62
Chemistry -- Michigan 15, UVA 48 UMD 41
Computer Science -- Michigan 11, UVA 30 UMD 16
Math -- Michigan 12, UVA 47 UMD 22
Physics -- Michigan 13, UVA 44 UMD 14
Economics -- Michigan 12, UVA 29 UMD 21
English -- Michigan 8, UVA 6 UMD 30
History -- Michigan 6, UVA 18 UMD 27
Political Science -- Michigan 4, UVA 37 UMD 29
Psychology -- Michigan 3, UVA 17 UMD 39
Sociology -- Michigan 1, UVA 32 UMD 24

Just sayin[/quote]

and yet, despite all this, UVA is still the higher ranked national university for undergraduate education.  
Both are very good schools, but I suspect people around here lean toward UVA and people in the Midwest lean toward Michigan or Notre Dame.[/quote]

[b]UVA has a higher overall ranking because it has a lower student/teacher ratio than Michigan.[/b] Otherwise the indicators are identical.

However, undergraduate teaching is a different story:

Michigan - 6
UVA - 17
ND - not ranked

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Pretty sure UVA is also higher ranked because it has a better 4 and 6 year graduation rates.

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By 3 percentage points or so, yeah. Barely a difference.[/quote]

??  [b]4 year at UVA = 88%
[/b]      4 year at UM  = 76%

that's a pretty significant difference[/quote]

UVA routinely has one of the highest graduation rates in the US -- public or private -- and is on par with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Johns Hopkins and Swarthmore by the measure.  William and Mary comes close, and Michigan and Berkeley, while tied for third, are far behind.  They're tied with Wheaton College, Stonehill College, Pepperdine, etc.  UVA's culture is akin to an elite private school, where undergraduates are expected to finish on time.  Why wouldn't this factor into the rankings?  It's pretty important.

FYI UVA's African American graduation rate is also far and away #1.[/quote]

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