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The fact that those respondents are behavioral scientists is irrelevant to their short responses which are primarily based on their opinions or are assertions without backup.
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Get rid of gender bias in work, and I'll talk about inherent differences in ability. Until then, this is all exactly what it seems to be. Whiny victimization by people who feel threatened at losing their entitled status.[/quote]
I'm not an expert, but the Quillette did include links to what seem like respected academic journals at the bottom of the article. Are those studies not accurate?

As for gender bias, I agree. Does Google have an effort underway to ensure there are sufficient men in positions like marketing, PR, and HR? In most companies I worked in, these departments were dominated by women, and I saw no effort to promote diversity.[/quote]
My point is not about the science (which as a physicist I am only partially able to critique). My point is that the science is irrelevant...because none of the science can address whether those biological differences have anything to do with how well someone will perform as a Google engineer. It might have been missed, but a former Googler addressed this point quite well, explaining that many of the things the manifesto writer claimed were weakening Google in the name of diversity were actually strengths in how they did their work and developed engineers into the management tracks:
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788

I don't work at Google, so I can't speak to their diversity hiring efforts in HR. It seems to me that there could be advantages to promoting more diversity in those divisions, but I have no idea. What I do know is that company's like Google don't do things out of kindness or a sense of what's right. Everything they do is toward increasing their bottom line, and if they can earn some nice PR in the meantime that's just a bonus. There are very good reasons to think that having a product development and engineering that reflects the people buying or using your products will result in products that your buyers and users prefer. That alone is a reason to have a few more than 20% of your engineers be women. [/quote]

From what I've seen, [b]studies related to the benefits of diversity in technology don't really point one way or the other.[/b]  I think there is something to be said when it comes to  human factors design for having diverse viewpoints as different groups use technology differently.[/quote]I've never seen such a study. Can you point to one? It would depend greatly on how the benefits are designed, though.

Also, human factors engineering, especially in software, is no longer really a standalone discipline. It's core to how software is designed and developed...and no SW architect, which is the career pinnacle of someone who stays on the technical non-management track, worth their salt would design without a deep understanding all of the use cases for the SW being developed.[/quote]

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