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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here's the link to the full article where behavioral scientists respond to the memo:
http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/
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I think a lot of people won't like that response because it doesn't comply with their own biases.  Most people aren't rational thinkers, but instead emotional thinkers.[/quote]
The fact that those respondents are behavioral scientists is irrelevant to their short responses which are primarily based on their opinions or are assertions without backup.

The first response hinges on one man's perception of culture in academia and of the comments to the manifesto. He is neither a cultural anthropologist nor has he backed up his assertions that academia is close-minded or that none of the responses were well thought out. Even on this site, the latter is not true.

The second himself said he's not an expert but also that he doesn't necessarily think any sex differences should matter when it comes to performance as a software developer...refuting the argument.

The third dances around the issue by saying that diversity is only necessary if there are inherent differences (a fact that can be argued since it leaves out the entire nurture or cultural aspects of differences) and that if it's necessary one should still expect differences of outcome. He says nothing about whether one should still tackle systematic bias.

The fourth seems to hinge entirely on her opinion that she didn't find the memo offensive...and calling everyone who disagrees with her unscientific. Hmmm...that might be unscientific.

Honestly, these debates are wearying. [b]Yes, there are likely differences in ability between men and women. [/b]But no one has demonstrated that those differences make men better Google engineers than women, in which case literally everything else is irrelevant. There is a *huge* skew in outcomes at Google, and there are many women reporting their actual experiences of being marginalized. But all of that data is supposedly irrelevant, and research that is by definition hugely biased because you can't exactly raise humans in a vacuum to understand their true natures without nurture is definitive?

Get rid of gender bias in work, and I'll talk about inherent differences in ability. Until then, this is all exactly what it seems to be. Whiny victimization by people who feel threatened at losing their entitled status.[/quote]

I'm not really even ready to concede that!  The research on how girls get math anxiety is really persuasive to me.  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/well/family/trying-to-add-up-girls-and-math.html?_r=0

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