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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding. [/quote]

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly. [/quote]

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it[/quote] I did pull up curricula for Yale, Harvard, Princeton, VT and Purdue. I discovered that Harvard and Yale's ABET-accredited B.S. programs require significantly fewer engineering courses than Purdue or VT. Harvard and Yale require near the minimum engineering courses while VT and Purdue greatly exceed the minimums.

And this is comparing ABET to ABET.  Harvard and Yale also offer non-ABET B.A. programs with even fewer technical requirements, designed for students that can’t hang with their weak-sauce ABET programs or want dabble in engineering without really having to do the work.

The bottom line is that engineering schools like VT and Purdue have substantially more rigorous and extensive engineering requirements than Harvard or Yale. VT is much closer to “top engineering” than Harvard or Yale. 
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Total BS. Harvard requires 80 credits minimum, for MechE,  Purdue requires 45 credits, for MechE, yet only 20-30 for many other E porgrams. Plus H requires a research thesis on top of the credits. Dig into the details of the courses and it gets worse. [/quote]

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