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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Human have been eating rice and bread since time immemorial.

F carb free. [/quote]
True but that was before people had supermarkets with plenty of prepared meat. In the days when people had to kill their meat, they ate a lot less meat and a lot more rice/bread.[/quote]

We didn't have to kill our meat in the 1970s and most ppl didn't have weight issues.[/quote]

DP, but on that topic, it really is shocking to look at pictures of people from the 1970s, 1980s, even the 1990s, and see how thin everyone overall was until just the last 15 years or so, and then an EXPLOSION in obesity.

Something very bad is happening. [/quote]

It's like reading 2010 Vogue and then saying everyone in 2010 is stick thin. Most pics you see are from models or representation of "every day" people in ads who will sell products. It's not reality. My farmer family members were overweight for the entire 1900s.[/quote]

Sorry but that's a silly assertion. Public health officials are actually measuring these things, and there has indisputably been a massive increase in overweight/obesity in the population beginning in the 1980s when sugar started being added to everything to replace fat because the government followed and promulgated very poor advice to the public that they should eat very low fat diets. There is a ton of reputable research on this it's not like it's a crazy theory from left field.

Also, I was born in November of 1970 and I have very clear recollection of what people around my looked like in the 70s and 80s versus what they look like now. Yes there were fat people, there have always been fat people - but it wasn't 70% of the population that was overweight or obese. I have lots of photos from trips to Disneyland, trips all over the country to different regions (my family did multiple cross country road trips and we had to stop at every national park, monument, Dollywood, Graceland, etc.) and the crowds of normal every day people were much slenderer than is the norm today. Same if you watch movies from the period and see what the extras - regular people - looked like. Dial up the OG Jaws this summer and revisit what the population of eastern Massachusetts looked like on average back then - that's where I grew up and where I live again now. It was regular Mass folks who sat on the beach and walked around the villages on Martha's Vineyard as extras in that film - very different average sizes than what you'd see on the beach and browsing shop windows this summer.

Robert Lustig's books are an excellent exploration of how the food and healthcare industries have failed Americans on this issue, with a massive helping from the government as lobbied by Big Food interests. I can't recommend his work strongly enough. It starts with his infamous lecture Sugar: The Bitter Truth which I share with you here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM[/quote]

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