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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As far as only elite college students getting these, that's a correlation not causation, those colleges admit more go getters who would've gotten these from any school. [/quote]

What about all those donut hole kids who only chose to go to a state school for financial reasons? [/quote]

They lose out. At this and the top-law & top-med advice, and the personalized phD faculty recs, and everything else an elite school offers. Elite schools provide need to families with upwards of 200k HHI. Families who are so called "donut hole" make a ton of money compared to the average household in the US and many of them COULD afford elite if they wanted to. They chose not to. And that choice has consequences. Families with actual financial need are well provided for by elite schools who are very generous with meeting full need. [/quote]

+1   In many cases, the outcomes of a state school are very good, particularly when considering in-state tuition.  But not for prestigious jobs  and[b] fellowships like the ones[/b] referenced in this post.  Ivies and other elite privates excel at these.[/quote]

NOt true for the top flagships, like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan and UVA.  All four are big producers of elite scholars.  UVA recently was commended again as top producers of Fulbrights, Rhodes and Marshalls.  https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-cited-fulbright-scholarship-top-producer[/quote]

This was quoted in the other thread but
UVA has 56 Rhodes Scholars; UNC has 54
Harvard has 359.

It's a different ball-park all together.[/quote]

Considering UVA has 2.5X the enrollment of UVA, it means a Harvard grad is about 16X as likely to be awarded a Rhodes scholarship compared to a UVA grad.  Rhodes tend to go to schools that have one them before since Rhodes alumni are so involved in the process.

The Fulbright is much more "democratic" in that it provides more awards, spreads the awards around more, and is less influenced by alumni grooming and influence.  Harvard has had 416 Fulbright winners from 2010-2024 compared to 167 for UVA.  This means a Harvard grad is about 6.2X as likely to win a Fulbright.  [/quote]

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