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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Where is Dartmouth in the current Ivy pecking order? I've viewed it more as a great large LAC. Dartmouth and Brown are hard for me to judge since they are not as strong as research institutions as Cornell, Penn, or Columbia but seem to care a lot about undergrad education. [/quote]

Dartmouth is its own beast, and large LAC is almost a good shorthand for what it feels like. The students who actually get in and say yes are very self-selecting. It’s different from Penn or Columbia where someone might apply as a reach and go regardless of if it’s a fit because of the name alone. The location and vibe of Dartmouth makes for a a very tight-knit campus. Sophomore summer is also unique and gives students interested in internships in DC or NYC or wherever a much better chance at them during a less competitive time of year. Tbh, people at Dartmouth aren’t concerned about where they are in the Ivy pecking order unless they play a sport.

-HYP undergrad, Dartmouth grad alum[/quote]

I mean…the kids I know going carpet bombed all the Ivies.  This was their “best” option based on acceptances.

Not to say they are unhappy with Dartmouth…but they aren’t self-selecting or any different from the kids you describe above.[/quote]

Doesn’t really make sense. Half the class applied and got in early so by definition it was their top choice. Yeah perhaps a lot of RD admits would have chosen HYP over it only because they are HYP but a lot of them are probably happy HYP didn’t work out because in some ways HYP is lame. I would also suggest that the half the class that comes in RD probably skews towards diversity and first gen (cannot afford to commit ED without seeing FA packages) so it’s a group of kids getting pulled in rather than self-selecting at any particular institution. If there were one Ivy that is self selecting, it is Dartmouth. [/quote]

You have to parse through ED...it's not that simple.  Let's go through it:

- Dartmouth has 4500 undergrads, so 1,125 per class;
- 50% ED, so they accept 563 kids ED;
- Recruited, committed athletes are all ED applicants... so assume 250 kids out of 563 are recruited athletes...only 313 ED kids are non-athletes which are 28% of all accepts;
- For athletes was Dartmouth a top choice...I don't know...my own kid has gotten some interest from Dartmouth coaches and before they showed interest, he never mentioned the school once.  The adage in athletic recruiting is..."You want to go where you are wanted"...sounds simple right, but an athlete thinks "If Dartmouth is interested, then Yale and Harvard must be as well"...which is not the correct way to think.  Do I think he could be happy there...sure...but is it their "top" choice...wasn't a month ago.  It is all "pie in the sky" right now.

You see lots of football players in Spring of HS junior year tweeting their visits to Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, etc.  All the same tweet...so enjoyed my visit with Coach and would be honored to play at [IVY] college.  They all show a picture of the kid in full football gear inside the school locker room.  Seems like the same football player is recruited by all the schools.
- Legacy applicants are likely to be ED...I know in our HS you have lots of Ivy legacies making the calculation that I would prefer to go to X, but I am applying to where I have legacy status because I would rather go to Legacy Y vs. taking my shot at X, not getting accepted...and now I have to go to school Z.  These are wise calculations when these schools have 5% acceptance rates.

There are always games with these places. [/quote]

Fair point. I still think Dartmouth is as self selecting as any school because of its uniqueness. Look at the end of the day almost any student would choose to attend HYPSM if they could just for the brand value. Or their parents would make them! [/quote]

I applied to and got into Dartmouth back in the day. I didn't carpet bomb the Ivies. I always think it's odd when people do that, as they really are very different schools. I applied to just 2 Ivies that spoke to me, including Dartmouth which I liked very much. But in the end, I didn't go there. I also got into two in the HYPSM group, and I picked one of those instead. It's very, very hard to turn down one of those top tier schools. [/quote]

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