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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am fascinated by the fact that no one on this thread is like - hey - how could we help women. How could we make it better for ourselves? What if instead of warring we all agreed we want the best for our kids and it would be great if we could have flexible jobs that allowed for great family balance and a good social safety net. No - were like - you suck because you care about stupid college and I am at peace. Truly why don’t we work toward a more equitable future instead of this endless loop [/quote]
I'm a pp who suggested long mat leaves, but a sahm shut that down quickly. How dare she have to pay for someone elses mat leave! Even though it benefits every parent! I'm also pro pat leave. [/quote]

Well it is not really the government's job to pay for long maternity leaves, IMO.  I don't want to go to the tax levels that countries who provide this tax people.  
However, they should put a plan into place that ensures you can "come back and get your job back/similar job back" after X months.  But no (I'm DP) don't think we need to fund that.  If you want to take 6 months off of a 12 months off, then you plan for that and save for that before you have a kid.  Or you take part of it without pay.  
In reality, companies should be more flexible in allowing parents to work PT after maternity leave (and for Dads).  But this should be something offered to any employee after a "life event"---so someone who needs to do the same for an elderly parent has choices as well.

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So you are the person who doesn't want to support other parents in mat leave? Got it. Way to make it harder for all women, but you save a few pennies on your taxes, yay![/quote]

Choosing to have kids is your choice.  There are people who do not choose that.  So why should we all pay for you wanting to have a kid and stay home for more than 12 weeks?  If you are an adult, you plan for that accordingly.

I'd much rather see universal healthcare as a thing, as it would literally benefit everyone, than universal maternity leave funded by the government.

Nobody is saying you cannot take the leave, just that you have to pay for your life choices. 
If I choose to take 3 months off to care for an elderly parent or aunt or uncle, do I get paid time off?  Where do you stop with "it benefits society"?  I'd support a law that enables people to get time off each year, for family needs, and keep their job/a job at the company that is similar.  But I do not think we should be funding any of that for the employees.  It's up to the employer what to provide.

But why should everyone else fund your choice to have a kid? Or to have multiple kids? Do childless people get a sabbatical in place of not having kids?

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It’s ultimately better for the economy for people to a) have kids and b) not need to leave the workforce after having kids. Most wealthy nations have universal maternal leave - many of them have it for a year, and also heavily subsidize childcare. A lot of the same nations also have universal healthcare, with private options. [/quote]

And in most of those countries, you would pay significantly more in taxes than you do in the USA.  I get the concept.  But I dont' trust our government to enact it well, and I don't believe the govt needs to fund "optional" things, like having kids.  I do support Universal Healthcare with private options for those who wish to pay more, and actually think it would cost everyone LESS.  People wouldn't wait to take themselves or their kids to the ER when they are sick, costing us thousands for a visit---whereas if they got seen at their doctor or an Urgent care 5 days earlier, they'd have gotten antibiotics and wouldn't be hospitalized with pneumonia or something worse now.  So a $120 doc visit would preempt a $10K+ ERisit/hospital stay.

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Yeah, it's optional to choose to have kids but once kids are born, it would be better in the long run for all of society, if we chose to support families/children by having more generous parental leave and work schedules that accommodate parents spending more time with their children.[/quote]
[b]But how much do we need to spend to provide for people for their choices?[/b]  I get you should have more flexibility, but why does the govt need to pay.  encourage companies to allow longer mat leaves, and encourage them allowing more PT work, but it's up to the company if they choose to pay someone FT pay for that leave.

As it is, society already provides for schools (even if you don't have kids), free medical insurance for lower income families for their kids, free preschool if you are low income.  
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HOW IS IT OPTIONAL????? Please someone tell me how it is optional and possible to have a functioning society without the population continuing to have children. [/quote]

People will continue having kids, even if the government does not pay for them to have kids and take care of the kids.

It's optional to wait until you are a responsible adult and can afford to support your kid and yourself. [/quote]

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