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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sure they do. Otherwise they would they would not be essentially crucifying Christians for exercising their religious rights. Again, the Oregon bakery did not turn down the business of the gay couple. They shopped there previously and were never turned down. They were only turned down when asked for a specialty item for their wedding. The gay bakery that turned down the Christian baker wanting an anti-gay cake did the exact same thing. You just feel that their message was more hateful. You know DAMN well that if a gay baker in Oregon turned down a cake for a patron that said "Gay Marriage Is Wrong", the lefties like you would be all over it as a hateful message. And the courts would likely agree with you. That's the double-standard today. The court in Oregon, in my opinion was wrong in their decision.[/quote]
The big difference is that the Oregon bakery was asked to provide the [i]exact same cake[/i] -- a wedding cake -- but it refused only when the couple getting married was a lesbian couple.  So it's clear there was a double standard at work.  In your "gay baker" hypothetical, the situation is lots murkier because you're talking about an individualized message on the cake ("gay marriage is wrong").  I address this situation on the other thread at page 6 at 6:29 (http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/460001.page).  If your "gay baker" hypothetical was a true apples-to-apples parallel -- where the gay baker simply refused to serve any cake at all to the Christian buyer -- I'd totally agree with you that the gay baker would be violating the anti-discrimination law.[/quote]
You are simply picking and choosing what you like and what you don't like The cakes in both cases are the exact same cakes. So either both bakeries follow the rules or neither. Both bakeries were willing to serve both patrons. It was the special orders that were the problem. Directly parallel. [/quote]
Really?  Show me where the Oregon bakery was asked to make a cake with the message "support gap marriage" written on it.  I've read several articles now, and haven't seen anything suggesting that.[/quote]

Isn't baking a cake specifically for a gay wedding, supporting gay marriage? In the eyes of the Christian it is. See, that's the thing about religious freedom. You don't get to tell Christians how to believe. If you want that, then they get to tell you how to believe too. And that means you have to make a cake that says that you don't support gay marriage for a Christian event. That's called true equality.[/quote]

Is baking a cake for a Muslim wedding supporting Islam?  In the eyes of this Christian, it is not.

And btw I sincerely doubt they made the baker write "I am the baker and I support gay marriage" on the cake.  Have you ever even seen writing on a wedding cake?  It's all fondant and flowers.  Hardly a political statement.[/quote]

I think you have that backwards. A baker who follows Sharia law would probably not bake a cake for a Christian wedding. But that would be OK with you. Just not the other way around. I don't believe there is anything the bible that forbids a marriage between a man and a woman, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever. That said, I would not go to a Christian baker as a Jew and ask him to bake a religious cake, then sue if he refused. I'd go to a Jewish baker, because, well, I'm interested in a cake, not in screwing people over to get activism points.

The point is by baking the wedding cake, by photographing the wedding, by doing the wedding flowers, you are a participant in the wedding. You should have a choice to say 'no thank you', especially since the 1st amendment grants that right.

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If you personally are baking a cake/photographing the wedding/doing the flowers, you personally are a participant in the wedding, with all your attendant rights and liberties to be anti-gay (or "just" anti-gay-marriage).  If your BUSINESS provides cakes/photography services/floral arrangements for weddings, then you have to provide your services without discriminating.

You are not your business, people.  This isn't that hard.[/quote]

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