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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe we need to try to put some behaviors on the table to make people not see a racialized version of this type of student. We certainly know students who try hard.

Maybe it’s students who …
Can’t just be a member of a high school club, have to be the president. 
Are more interested in [b]self-beneficial relationships with teachers[/b] than fellow students.
Need an A more than they need to learn the subject material, hence [b]constantly pester teachers[/b] for what’s on the test, how to get an A, extra credit, etc.
(Just a couple thoughts.)
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The reality is if the student need to do the above to stay ahead, the student is not going to a T20.  And you won't see this type of students in a top school.  
If these are the strivers you want to avoid, then you definitely should go to a very top college.  [/quote]
OMG. No. The "very top" colleges are almost entirely full of these kids, and a good handful of cheaters too. Also some genuine people, but a whole lot of the rest.[/quote]

There are so many cheaters amongst the top students. So many parents who think it is fine if their kids cheat as long as they don't get caught or think that having access to previous years tests and/or test banks (when other students have not seen previous tests) is not considered cheating. [b]My kids experience is that it tends to be white students whose parents were in fraternities/ sororities (so had the experience of the sorority / fraternity having tests from previous years) or students with immigrant parents from India or China. Many[/b] (most?) of these kids could get A's if they studied but by not having to study for every test and spreading themselves thin they can concentrate on classes where they don't have access to previous tests.   They also get better recommendations because the teacher thinks they are getting difficult questions correct without ever having seen the questions.

Based on my kids' experience from a top public, half the kids who went to T20 were really the brilliant kids but the other half were smart cheaters who worked the system. [/quote]

If adults behave this way—winning at all costs—what message does that send to young people?[/quote]

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