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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Antisemitism is not just about religious belief.[/quote]

Bingo. Jews are despised for being Jewish, not because they are religious.[/quote]
No. We despise Zionism.[/quote]

Zionism is code for Jews.[/quote]

No, it's not. Zionism is the [i]minority[/i] of American Jews who still support Israel.

Zionism is also Christians who have nothing but violence in their hearts, for the sake of their messianic mythological prophecy. 
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Zionism is still the majority view of most American Jews. I think you're misunderstanding what Zionism is. One can (and many do) support the existence of the State of Israel and the right of its citizens to live in peace without supporting Bibi's administration or the specifics of the way his government is handling the war in Gaza (or settlements in the West Bank). Much like how I can be a patriotic American without supporting Trump or the Republican majority's policies. This really shouldn't be that hard to understand.[/quote]

This is the modern liberal whitewashed version of Zionism that is really not grounded in reality.

Anybody who calls themselves a Zionist falls into one of two camps:

Evil: because they know exactly what Zionism has meant for Palestinians: displacement, massacres, occupation, apartheid. They see it, they accept it, and they justify it.

Ignorant: because they’ve bought the sanitized PR version of Zionism as “just Jewish self-determination,” without ever looking at the Nakba, the ongoing ethnic cleansing, or what “a Jewish ethnostate” on stolen land actually requires.

There’s no clean, innocent version of Zionism. Its history and its present are the same: violence and removal or elimination of Palestinians to a degree that allows Israel to  exist.[/quote]

The history can no longer be changed. Unless you’re planning to move 8 million Jewish Israelis elsewhere, whatever happens in the future has to account for Israel existing. But plenty of people who describe ourselves in some form as Zionists are well aware of the Nakba and the very ugly way the state was born. Many of us oppose the ethnostate law that the Knesset passed. You’re trying to set up a binary that flattens everything into categories that ultimately cuts out people who should be natural allies of the goal of a more just future for Palestinians and Palestinian citizens of Israel. [/quote]

I agree with the idea that it isn't practical or reasonable to imagine removing Jews who settled in Israel after WW2. But that doesn't mean that it reasonable to deny Palestinians rights in those areas. That's what makes Zionism bad.[/quote]

Yes, and many people who are Zionists (and therefore "bad") agree with you that it's not reasonable to deny Palestinians rights. We just also don't want Israel to disappear tomorrow, either. [/quote]

Except that they've deliberately created a society that is unequal. Surely you understand that. Ensuring the continuation of Israel isn't enough for Zionists. They also want to ensure that the Jewish people in the country remain in power.

It would be like [b]if the US decided to institute strict immigration limits and normalize institutional discrimination for the purposes of keeping a political party or demographic in power.[/b] Which, unfortunately, is close to what we're seeing right now.

I really don't understand how you can justify or defend a philosophy inherently based on discriminatory values. Regardless of the philosophy, the country, or the ethnic/religious group.[/quote]

Other than doing so for political party purposes, nothing wrong with the bolded. The U.S. is free to decide who immigrates here.[/quote]

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