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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I've met many people who went to elite colleges. I went to an elite college. I know the typical outcome. I don't focus on the top 1-5% outcome because I also know there's more at play than just a Harvard degree that gets you the top outcome. And let me point out that for every top percentage outcome you have an equal number of grads who failed to go anywhere, telling you admissions is not a guarantee to joining the table of life, whatever it is. I also object to certain posters claiming that "same doors plus more are usually open to Ivy grads regardless of their GPA." "Elite" entities recruiting out of Ivy schools absolutely have their own thresholds.[/quote] Fine, no need focus on top 1-5% outcomes. What's the median outcome for an Ivy League graduate vs. the median outcome for a non-top 50/75/100 school's graduate?[/quote] I'm going to ask you why want to compare the median Ivy to a medial top 50 or 100 school? Why not compare the *peer groups* at both schools? Which would probably be median Ivy and top 20% at top 50 and top 10% at top 100. Isn't that more relevant? Here's the thing: the rest of the top 100 will produce plenty of successful people. People much more successful than quite a few Ivy grads. You also struggle to acknowledge, which some of us have tacitly done, that even within Harvard there is a clear difference between the top of the student body and the rest. I won't attempt to break it down into percentages or whatever suffice it to say there's elite Harvard grads and decidedly non elite Harvard grads. Is being an elite Harvard grad a product of Harvard or just an elite aptitude + capabilities + networking? Harvard can help but there's more to it than just going to Harvard. [/quote] The median outcome however is no comparison. The top private schools all have much better median outcomes than nearly every public school. See these WSJ salary breakdowns by different professions. If you look at the list, in most instances all private colleges have higher median incomes than the #1 listed public university (which BTW may be considered a top school too). https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/top-colleges-high-paying-careers-finance-tech-consulting-d1c22601 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-management-consulting-589f15c9?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAiBmc6Jluj4OkU2fyNfsNt9KePAk-0yYvImYkzkoa2TmgjAOJutgM7nDhFRRVU%3D&gaa_ts=6850862f&gaa_sig=DTX58Ryu3JD5X_kdczZzQf38U1yKmy3Qp0UUXvnxvR6qvWsvvfa893FFAKF7317T9mBchQ306kSQndnGnMlTJA%3D%3D[/quote] But all college salary data is self reporting. So meaningless. And honestly a power 5 school should have a higher salary average based on how many professional athletes they produce. Not many come out of Harvard.[/quote]
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