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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Personally, I think that using AI to read essays is a terrible development. Too subjective.

Setting that aside, I still think that the problem with AI is the post-review shaping of the class algorithm from the college's enrollment management consultant. Intuitively, I think their models are likely crap. They think certain variables mean things that they don't, they weight them wrong, etc.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter that the algorithm is unfair if they end up with the class that they want. And thus, we have OP's title, that certain kids are getting screwed by those algorithms. A hard truth to swallow.

I don't remember if it was this thread or a different one that talked about leaking. One day that will happen, or someone will figure it out, though I suspect that some of the key variables will not be items that can be easily changed/gamed.[/quote]

I think it depends on how it’s used. I do think certain kids will be institutionally disadvantaged by these new developments. Likely kids in oversubscribed majors and from large public high schools where there are dozens and dozens of applicants a year.[/quote]

Wanting to study a popular major makes you disadvantaged? Attending a large public high School. Makes you disadvantaged?  I think that is a very silly way to look at this.  No one is disadvantaged if they don't get into Harvard.

There are not a lot of spots and competition to get them is fierce.    but it is more than possible to pursue whatever it is you want to pursue without getting admittance to Harvard.  And good thing because the vast majority of students are not going to Harvard.[/quote]

I also think it can disadvantage your application to private T20 schools. Its not about Harvard.[/quote]

If it can disadvantage your application, it can also advantage your application.  This is a game and it always has been and will be.  Understand the game and apply accordingly.[/quote]

Explain how it (what is it) can advantage your application? AI? 
So now you pepper your application with the keywords they are looking for?[/quote]

I do not understand the exact process that ai is performing on these applications.  But whatever it is, understand it is and use it.   if you need to have keywords in there for AI put the keywords in there for AI.[/quote]

NP and differing POV here:
I think the people most influential and important in college admissions in this next cycle will be former college counselors who just left T20 admissions offices - so their contacts are "fresh"  and they have a giant roster of people to connect/call - and can get real-time advice in this coming cycle. We are not going through this next cycle (just went through it - for the 2nd time) and not going again for another 2 years, but I see how/why having up-to-date info will be really helpful and differentiating. And we didn't use a counselor for this last time, but its just too much changing real time, and information asymmetry will be real.[/quote]

In two years..maybe..but the power of former and current AOs will be diminishing over time. AOs themselves do not set or influence who the campus wants, this happens with the Deans and senior admin. AOs are lower leverage admins tasked with carrying out what university leadership wants. As systems with predictive data decisions and AI take over, the AO role will drastically change and diminish. [/quote]
DP. I also have a strong suspicion that, in contrast to the dean/director of admissions, young AOs don't actually know much about the algorithmic shaping of the class at the end, why a particular high stats applicant may have been accepted/waitlisted/denied. They simply may not be privy to that level of information.[/quote]

True. Besides Sara H, what Former Deans of Admissions and Senior-level AO, ever ended up in private counseling? And which ones most recently? That's who we want to talk to.

I've already heard from Lee Coffin with his podcast and the Yale podcast.[/quote]

Maria Laskaris [/quote]

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