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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If they want to drop the missing middle rezoning proposal and just do this one maybe that is a reasonable compromise, but upzoning everything is a bad idea. Vision zero is idiotic and unrealistic though. The goal of reducing traffic fatalities attainable, but we need to balance operational concerns with safety improvements. The only way to achieve basically zero traffic deaths would be to reduce speed limit to 15 mph everywhere. Ridiculous policy goals like vision zero will harm society more than it helps. [/quote]

How many deaths do you think it's worth for you to get somewhere 5 minutes faster in your car? How about 10 minutes faster in your car? Also, is it ok for people in your family to be killed or seriously injured in a car crash, or should car crash deaths and serious injuries be limited to people in other people's families?[/quote]

This is a childish argument.  Society needs to move and we try to keep people safe.  To keep EVERYONE safe, we can't use cars and trucks... or bikes... or even horses.  [b]Society can't control people who cross the street wearing black at night.  Society can't control everyone who drinks and drives.  Society can't stop every idiot who speeds, etc.[/b]  So, yes... in a society with many people and many making bad decisions, people are going to die in accidents.[/quote]

Society can use street lighting. Society can use ignition interlocks. Society can use speed governors. [/quote]

Umm… everything has a cost, including bad decisions.  You are being ridiculous.  [/quote]

The issue here obviously isn't that Vision Zero is unattainable. It's that you're not interested in attaining it. You're fine with people being killed in car crashes. Well, everyone gets to have their own opinions, and that includes you.[/quote]

This real issue is that you live on a magical planet outside of reality where money is unlimited. You are not being reasonable and myopically focusing on preventing a specific issue that caused less than 0.5% of total deaths in the county. This idea you are obsessed with will cost the county billions of dollars to pay prevent a very small number of deaths. You seem to have no perspective on actual resource constraints that exist for county governments and you are hellbent on spending an unlimited about of money up to the entire county budget to prevent a small number of deaths. [/quote]

The real issue is that you are worried that the county will take actions that might inconvenience you while you are driving.[/quote]
DP. I appreciate that you like to create strawmen and put words in other people’s mouths, but they did not say that at all. [b]What they are saying that resources should be allocated to maximize benefit. [/b]For example, it would probably increase safety and enhance county revenue just by installing more speed cameras. As a result, it is not necessary to spend millions from a constrained capital budget with many competing priorities liked over crowded schools to reengineer entire roadways. What it looks like is starting from a conclusion (“complete street”) and then trying to justify it.

The Planning Department in the county is unfortunately stuffed full of people who are highly motivated to do things that they can present at conferences or apply for awards to stoke their own egos instead of doing the most appropriate things for county to make everyone better off within our resource constraints. [/quote]

"Resources should be allocated to maximize benefit" for whom and for what? For the PP, for driving convenience.

I'm totally in favor of more speed cameras. Speed cameras are a component of Vision Zero.[/quote]

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