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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lots of tendentious arguments here about cities none of us live in.

You could, instead, just look around DC. Neighborhoods where the housing stock has greatly increased over the past decade or so have gotten a lot more expensive, not less expensive.

Look at Navy Yard. Look at U Street. Look at 14th Street. Look at H Street. Look at Shaw. Look at Logan Circle....

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Reasoning from a price change: rookie mistake![/quote]

[b]I don't know why everyone decided to replace the word "gentrification" with "upzoning."[/b] It's the same thing (and, no, just because you *wish* we could build giant apartment buildings in Georgetown doesn't change that). No one doubted what gentrification did to housing prices, and no one should think the result will be any different just because you've relabeled gentrification as "upzoning."

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The reason you don't know why is because it didn't happen. They are different things. There might be upzoning and then gentrification, but gentrification can also happen without upzoning, and guess what? Upzoning can also happen without gentrification.[/quote]

Uh, sure, in theory. In reality, it basically only happens in ungentrified areas. How else is DC getting so incredibly white? Because developers buy homes from black people and turn them into luxury condos they then sell to white people. [/quote]

Obviously gentrification only happens in ungentrified areas. How would you go about gentrifying an area that is already gentrified?

DC is currently 38% non-Hispanic white.[/quote]

What is odd here is that those supporting upzoning generally opposed gentrification.  They in reality are the same-changing the character of a neighborhood against the wishes of its residents.[/quote]

While that might be true, the momentum is on the side of the housing advocates, politicians (both R and D who support this), developers, and property investors. All these groups are very well-organized. The current residents of the single family neighborhoods may be opposed to the changes by and large, but they are a smaller group compared with the majority of residents who are renters, and they generally approve of the changes. [/quote]

The governor of Maryland couldn’t even get his modest housing bill passed when it included changes in SFH zoning, and a MoCo rep was one of the people who stepped in to amend that silliness out of there because with it the bill didn’t have a chance.  It’s not that the YIMBYs are popular, they are just loud and most normal people aren’t paying enough attention to the sausage being made.  However, that seems to be changing.  [b]People are watching the YIMBYs now.[/b][/quote]

The category of "people" includes people who are YIMBYs.

And the "MoCo rep" who "stepped in" was asserting local/county control over zoning. “All the local governments have different zoning rules. And so by nature, anytime the state is going to step into zoning, it’s going to generate questions from all of our governments back home. I think a bill like this does take longer,” Moon said. “You’re going to get questions from all parts of the state, from all parties…people want reassurances about how this thing is going to look.”

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2024/03/29/moores-last-housing-bill-finally-receives-house-approval-but-with-significant-changes/[/quote]

That was 100% a loss for YIMBYs, according to the YIMBYs, as said by the YIMBYs.  Someone from MOCO had to step in to make sure that local control was maintained because the bill was DOA with the SFH zoning changes.[/quote]

Where did the Universal Hive Mind Voice Of All YIMBYs supposedly say this?[/quote]

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