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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]just listen very carefully to AOs when asked this question - and they're all asked it.

we've heard quite a lot of top 20 presenters say, "my advice is to look up our numbers from last year, and submit if you're at 50% or higher"

they want their averages to go up - it works for their rankings.[/quote]

Pretty much

Outside of the top 40 colleges, no one gives a damn about test scores.

But for those top 40 schools, it matters a lot. And they want those 1580s and 35s. It sucks for smart kids. There's so much pressure right now.

TO is a disaster for smart and ambitious students. But it's a big win for top 40 colleges. They get to admit their garbage students AND they keep their numbers up. It's hard to look at schools like UCLA and Berkeley with any kind of respect at the undergrad level. A lottery for mediocrity.

Respect to MIT, Georgia Tech, Georgetown and the other schools still demanding test scores.

SAT and ACT scores have been well-proven as indicators of intelligence and likelihood of success in college. The situation is regrettable.  [/quote]

So you have no respect for CalTech?[/quote]

What pressure? SAT is a great scam for the people who are good at math and reading. It's the easiest  route through the admissions game, bypassing "work in a professional lab" and "found a nonprofit" and "be top 10 in an absurdly narrow specialization".[/quote]

But isn't math and reading the primary core of college?[/quote]

Sure but maybe colleges think the SAT/ACT is at best an imperfect measure of that and they want to see all applicants regardless of score because they believe they can do their job without it. But I’m sure all the experts here who have admitted no one to a college know better. [/quote]

DP, just following this exchange. Are you in college counselor or work in admissions? I do appreciate your insights if that’s the case. The one thing I have come to understand, is that this discussion really DEPENDS on the institution.  Most colleges worry about filling seats, especially from those who can pay tuition. They are more than happy to get rid of SATs.

The most selective colleges obviously have market power and some want SATs and some don’t.  It’s hard to talk about this in such general terms. [/quote]

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