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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t quite understand the argument that people should leave the city due to crime, when suburbs also have troubling crime? People are cherry picking a scenario where a family is living in east Capitol Hill (which, yes, has seen a troubling crime uptick) and moving to, like, Olney or Potomac or somewhere with less crime.

We live in NE DC and while there is crime and we don’t like it, the suburbs we can afford and that make sense in terms of commute have similar crime problems. There are upsetting violent crimes in places like Wheaton, Hyattsville, Arlington, etc., all the time. Our friends in the suburbs complain about carjackings and shootings near their homes. The gun laws in VA make a lot of people (me included) anxious about gun violence there.

We are looking to move out of DC due to the school issues, [b]but don’t view there to be a clear difference in crime between where we live in DC and where we might move in MD or VA.[/b] Many close in suburbs have fairly similar crime stats to where we live now, and moving very far out means spending a lot more time commuting (plus worrying about traffic accidents with all the added car time).[/quote]

There is absolutely a difference between urban areas and suburbs with mostly educated families.  White flight is a real thing.  If you move to most suburbs or towns you’ll find a local government that does everything it can to fight and prevent crime along with zoning and other laws to keep crime out.  The best way to avoid crime is to not live anywhere close to public transportation and to not live where there is inexpensive housing.  [/quote]

This is contradictory. If public transit and density lead to crime, then your point about how there’s “absolutely” a difference between the city and suburbs in this respect is false.

Many parts of MoCo are denser and have more public transit than parts of DC. Foxhall has lower crime than Wheaton. But someone who can afford to live in Foxhall isn’t going to move to Wheaton, and vice versa.

But someone who lives in Petworth and is tired of crime probably can’t afford Foxhall or, importantly, its suburban counterparts (Falls Church). The could probably afford a neighborhood like Homewood, between Kensington and Wheaton. It’s less dense than Petworth but only a bit, and crime in and around Wheaton metro will be on their radar. How much have the won in terms of less crime in this deal? Maybe a bit. But say it adds 30 minutes to their commute daily. Worth it? For many people: no.

This is not the no-brainer y’all make it out to be.[/quote]

Semantics.  Most places in the US with greater access to public transportation and higher density have more homeless people and crime.   You need to live somewhere the undesirables can’t afford and can’t reach you.

The best way to have a high QOL in this country is to move somewhere with mostly UMC families and no public transit or one train stop max.

My town doesn’t have any public transportation, is all white educated people and there aren’t any apartment buildings.  Practically no crime.  You don’t need to lock your doors.  Our local police don’t allow for any homeless.  One time there was some random guy with a grocery cart walking down a suburban road and the cops were called.  Never saw the guy again. He likely got taken to a nearby city and dropped off.

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