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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.

Here's a real ranking:

Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford 
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech 
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago 
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown

I agree with this except I would move CalTech and Northwestern down a Tier each, as good “trade schools.” This is my perception based on prestige/reputation, as someone who grew up in the Northeast and is very familiar with independent schools in NY and Boston.  Columbia really wasn’t harmed by the USNWR scandal, and John’s Hopkins, despite its ranking, loses on cross admits to the top schools, because it does not have the perceived prestige of elite schools.[/quote]

+1, never quite understand the allure of Caltech and the fascination with it when the school has a just 40% yield rate. If you look at the self-reported peer school data:

Harvard selects Yale, Princeton, and Stanford as its peers and both Yale and Stanford select Harvard as peers (Princeton did not submit data). 
MIT selects Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Cornell, CMU, Caltech as peers. All except Harvard select MIT as their peers. 
Yale selects all other ivies+MIT+Stanford+Chicago as peers. Columbia did not submit data but every other school reciprocated.
Stanford selects all eight ivies, MIT, and JHU as peers, again except for the two Ivies that did not submit data, everyone else are mutual peers.  
Penn selects all other Ivies, Stanford, and MIT as peers, all except Harvard and MIT are mutual peers. 
Caltech selects seven ivies except Dartmouth, Stanford, MIT, CMU, Chicago, Gtech, Berkeley, NYU, and Rice as peers. Just Chicago, MIT, Gtech, Rice, CMU are mutual peers.
Chicago selects seven Ivies except Dartmouth, Northwestern, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, WUSTL, JHU. Those who are mutual peers: Penn, Yale, Northwestern, Caltech, WUSTL, Cornell, Brown, JHU
Northwestern selects seven Ivies minus Dartmouth, MIT, Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Rice, USC, WUSTL, Vanderbilt and a bunch of other schools. Most of the ivies did not see NU as a peer except Brown and Cornell. Other top schools that see NU as a peer include JHU, Chicago, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, CMU, USC, Rice. (Duke did not submit data) 
JHU selects all eight ivies, MIT, Northwestern, Duke, but only Northwestern, Cornell, Brown, Chicago, and Stanford are mutual peers. 
Brown selects all other ivies, Stanford, MIT, NU, JHU, WUSTL, Chicago, Rochester, Georgetown, Duke. Mutual peers are Dartmouth, Yale, Rice, Cornell, NU, Chicago, Georgetown, Penn, Stanford, JHU, WUSTL.
Cornell selects all ivies, Stanford, MIT, NU, Chicago, WUSTL, JHU, Duke, and major publics like Berkeley, UCLA, UMich, and UIUC. Mutual peers are Yale, MIT, Stanford, JHU, Michigan, Penn, WUSTL, Chicago, Brown, NU.  
Dartmouth selects all other ivies, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Vanderbilt, and mutual peers are Brown, Stanford, Penn, Yale.

The ones clearly overrated are Northwestern, Caltech, and Duke (among the top schools, only JHU, Brown, Cornell see Duke as a peer). They are clearly a tier below schools like Columbia, Penn, and Chicago in terms of peer recognition. In fact, they are even worse in terms of peer recognition than some of the lower ivies. [/quote]

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