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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Should have applied to one of those reaches ED (Barnard, Davidson, Wash U) instead of to HYP SCEA or Brown ED. The UC schools aren't taking hardly any out of state students any more - someone should've told her that.

[b]Top 20%/1500 isn't all that great, sorry.[/b] [/quote]

Only in your mind is this not great.[/quote]

I know what I'm talking about. Our unhooked DD had a 3.9+/1570 at a Big 3 school and was told that HYP was unlikely so the better play was to apply ED to another top school because RD is a crapshoot.

I'm not saying the kid isn't great, but the stats aren't.[/quote]

Those stats are absolutely fine for HYP…but the CCO knew there were 10 double legacy kids to those schools and athletes, etc applying and those schools are only taking X kids from the school…because that is all they take year in and year out[/quote]

Yes you just hit the nail on the head. Students are competing with their classmates. Need to be savvy about not applying where others have hooks better than yours. Student in my kid’s class is a triple legacy at Stanford and also really bright in their own right so that school is completely off the table for my high stats kid. [/quote]

Ok i like where this discussion is headed because we are getting deep and real now.

We have a Big 3 3.8+!1500 kid who was rejected at all reaches (including a legacy REA) and admitted at two targets and safeties.

What I wish CCO did with us was to be very upfront about what you say. Instead we noticed a lot of double talk and no clear guidance. Never was told I would not apply to X because there is a VIP double legacy and a works class athlete  applying there. And that college only ever takes one from our school if any. Instead was told “it will be tough but if it’s in your heart, then apply”.

Maybe inspect too much from CCO and they can’t be that honest. I found that the busy body parents were subtly gathering info on where top academic kids were applying early at parent cocktail parties. Their kids were too

We are also at the school where they don’t use data or share scattergrams at all. So we and 17 year old were left reading tone and body language over zoom from our CCO. Never given factual or hard data driven advice.

That said it’s all a lottery and my kid didn’t win a reach lottery.

One more thing - this thread discusses whether we have kids there at BUg 3 to get onto T20. Answer for me - sort of. First priority is a great education. But for a kid in the top 10-12 kids in the class, I did actually expect back when our kid started 10 years ago at this Big 3 that being legacy at a HYP and being from a Big 3 would help with Top 20.

It didn’t for us. I’m not upset at the Big 3 for that. The game changed entirely after class of 2019 and those attributes our kid had were no longer what institutional priorities are at T20. Just a very solid academic EC kid but not a world class anything. and not URM.

Our kid will still have an amazing life so zero bitterness here. Kid  has a great education, will go to a solid university and will hopefully shine there.

I do have some lingering bitterness at the CCO at our Big 3 not being more data driven, direct and clear in list formation. That’s very specific to our school that is known for its “relax” and “trust the kid’s feelings and their heart” attitude. I truly dislike that and found that lack of clear communication actually way stressed out the process because I actually ended up not trusting time at all and not being relaxed.

When the next kid goes through this we will be much more direct asking CCO hard questions about who else applying VIP multi hooked and using ED more wisely and actuallly not trusting Big 3 CCO platitudes.

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Was your DC a lifer? While my DCs were circumspect about discussing where random kids in their class were applying, they were fairly aware what kids were doing and generally shared about their friends. Our DCs had two different CCOs, one who was also head of the office, at a Big 3 in different metro area (our DCs started at a Big 3 in DMV). The head never gave specific names but was fairly explicit about prospects with our DC about their first suggestion for ED1 (scenario: deferred in ED out of courtesy, then rejected in RD). The other CCO did something similar with DC#2. I doubt CCOs are going to provide details unsolicited, but they may respond to a question - "are there any kids who are legacies applying in this class?".

Asking about lifer as we pretty much knew most parents' details in their classes by the time we left the DMV. We didn't know as exhaustively when we moved, but picked up a fair amount over time at their second school. And even though our DCs didn't start their second school till later elementary/MS, our one kid was in all the top classes, so it was fairly easy to know who were the top students as they had been in classes together since 6th grade.

Our DCs' school doesn't use Naviance - or at least for kids/parents - and doesn't share internal data if they do have it. What I appreciated with DC#1 counselor is that they pivoted quickly after the 2020 admissions. Doubt they would have let a kid w/o a realistic list go forward or would probably tell parents, "this is gonna be on you" if they insisted on it. DC#2's was not so conservative and basically told our kid that a list capping out @ 30% admit rate would be fine. I was not really sanguine about that and also felt that DH was stuck in an admissions world when he attended school even if we had some contemporary  evidence to the contrary (DH's best friend's kid getting rejected right and left at T20 even though 4.0/1560 SAT). Both our DCs got into their ED1s so it was a moot point, but do think DC#2 could've been in trouble based on what happened to some friends.

PP, you sound like a great parent. Your DC's CC office could benefit from your insights, but DK if you feel you can share.

GL to your DC with next school year![/quote]

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