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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think ukraine will be able to stop the offensive and also get some of its lands back. But not the whole lot gained by Russia since February.
The conflict will then freeze, Russia trying to keep what it gained and Ukraine trying to bring as much pain and chaos as possible to the newly Russian territories.
It will go on for years. 
I don’t see how any truce is possible right now. [/quote]

Russia has taken over territory equal to all of Denmark and Austria combined.

Odessa will be fully russian by 2030[/quote]

Odessa will never by fully Russian, nor will any part of Ukraine outside of Crimea and maybe Donbas, even if Russian technically annexes it. Look at Kherson. Captured by Russian but with a growing and increasingly effective resistance movement by local Ukrainians. Americans learned this lesson is Fallujah. Just because you can take it, doesn't mean you can hold it.[/quote]

Maybe not, but it can be a bargaining chip in the future negotiations.

In this context, it is very revealing to see that even the NATO officials are beginning to say things like "land for peace".   This is all despite the slogans and the speeches of "not an inch!"

https://investogist.com/ukraine-to-decide-how-much-territory-it-will-sacrifice-for-peace-nato/

While the NATO chief said that the West was willing to “pay a price” to strengthen the Ukrainian military, Kiev will have to make some territorial concessions to Moscow in order to end the current conflict.

“Peace is possible,” he said. “The only question is what price are you willing to pay for peace? How much territory, how much independence, how much sovereignty…are you willing to sacrifice for peace?”

Scott Ritter summarized it best:

"To recap — the secretary general of the trans-Atlantic alliance responsible for pushing Ukraine into its current conflict with Russia is now proposing that Ukraine be willing to accept the permanent loss of sovereign territory because NATO miscalculated and Russia —instead of being humiliated on the field of battle and crushed economically — is winning on both fronts."

https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/26/scott-ritter-the-fantasy-of-fanaticism/[/quote]

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