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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find it interesting how many people try to shout down a caucasian person who even questions the possibility that reverse discrimination is going on.

“Stop”?  What is up with that?

It wasn’t until Asian-American started to complain about it that anyone paid attention.  And the reason is because people like the prior poster cannot shout them down.[/quote]

No one is trying to shut anyone down. It's just when posters zoom in on URMs as the major problem as opposed to also focusing on athletes (predominantly white), legacies (predominantly white), and donor admits (predominantly white), then that seems problematic. Plus, let's be real, if the white people complaining were honest, they'd know that there is an Asian kid with higher stats than their kid that didn't get in. It's basically don't give preference to URMs but let my kid in over stronger stats Asian kids because stats don't reflect potential, charisma--you know the things the robotic Asian kids don't have according to the tired stereotypes. It's the hypocracy that gets called out.[/quote]

A lot of us complain about those too. I complain about all of it, but the legacy and athlete bothers me much more. However, I don’t personally know any athletes or legacies. And I’ve watched  the URM advantage happen in my own social circle. Similar stats, education, parents, parent jobs, and HHI.   So perhaps, instead of being jerks, we’re bothered by what we directly experience  more than the abstract.  Very human. And everyone hurts more when they see their kid hurt.  I get the reasoning and mission, but I don’t get why it’s helping kids who in every other way had nearly identical upbringings.  My family arrived as poor, white immigrants long after slavery ended. They were discriminated against too and plenty of people equated them to dogs. They worked hard jobs no one else wanted and stayed poor.  Why are my friends’ kids more worthy of a bump now that we’re all in the same SES group?

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Because while your family worked hard, they were able to be a part of the system and raise the overall prospects of your family in a way that someone of color was not able to do because of structural racism in banking, land ownership, access to education etc.

It is all fine and good to say everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but when some people have an anvil tied to their boot in the form of skin color, then at some point, our society has to pay for that. If that means some kid is going to BC instead of Harvard or Tufts instead of Brown, my heart is not really going to bleed very much from a macro standpoint.

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I don’t think everyone should “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, but the fact that we all have the same education and HHI in 2022 matters. [/quote]

I’m white. I grew up working glass. My Dad was 1st generation and spoke his parents native language until he went to K. His first year of school was spent learning English so he repeated K. My mom was also from a family of immigrants that suffered serious discrimination and bigotry and were barred from taking certain jobs. Eventually they were accepted as white.  Post WW Ii their fair skin gave them access to Federal programs for GIs.  In their working class jobs they were able to get supervisory positions. They joined unions. The credit union helped them get a housing loan and white people didn’t object to them living in or next to their neighborhood.

Today some of my white kids black friends have the same HHI as we do. Some have even higher HHI. The thing is, none of that income has shielded those parents or their black sons from being pulled over by the police for not leaving their signal on long enough before making a lane change. Or from having their friend’s neighbor call in a suspicious black male being in the neighborhood when they went to visit their white friend. Or from being followed around a store while shopping by the sales clerk. That is why I’m okay with my son’s friends with similar stats getting in to a school that WL or rejected him and my son is too.[/quote]

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