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The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!

I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article.  Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.

How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population? [/quote]

"Over-represented" is not a neutral word.  They should have found a better term.[/quote]

Such as ? [/quote]

Such as not focusing on race.  Are blacks over-represented in basketball? In football? F*ck you racist hypocrites. [/quote]

Yes? I literally used an example of how black athletes are over represented in the NFL in my original comment, did you read that?

But by the way I completely agree with you that there should be less focus on race and identity politics in general. However, I do not think it is constructive to criticize fact based statements as racism. There will always be both over representation and under representation in all elements of US society because 100% perfect representation of the populace is nearly impossible. Organizations like the NYT seem to be hyper focused on some theoretical idea of perfect representation in all elements of society which is very divisive in my opinion.

No need to curse at strangers on the internet, maybe try to calm down and find allies instead of jumping to conclusions. [/quote]

I agree the cursing isn't helpful.  But "overrepresented" is not a neutral term in the world of DEI, and Asian Americans are getting fed up with the bias against Asian American success and the double standards when it comes to race.

The media couldn't even celebrate properly when Michelle Wu became Boston's first person of color to become mayor.  Like, this was one of the first articles: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/16/1055972179/boston-first-black-mayor.  Asian Americans are the most underrepresented group when it comes to politics, so why is the NPR treating Wu's election as if it were some kind of tragedy?

Then you have what's going on in magnet schools and elite colleges across the US.  Asian Americans are often described as "overrepresented" in these schools.  That word keeps getting used over and over to justify discrimination against Asian Americans, so Asian Americans have gotten sensitive to the word.

As for the article, "overrepresented" carries the connotation that in an ideal world there would be fewer Asian Americans in ice skating.  A publication like the New York Times should know better.  I'm sure there's a better way of saying there are a lot of Asian Americans who like to ice skate now.[/quote]

Yes, I understand it sounds frustrating when the accomplishments of Asian Americans do not get the same amount of celebration in the media as those in other minority groups and there is blatant anti-Asian discrimination going on in schools. But attacking semantics and facts as being "racist" is not a productive way to draw awareness to these real problems.

I happen to be part of a certain minority group that is often criticized and ridiculed for being over-represented in a particular job field. It is true, and it's not racist for people to point out this disparity. Some people want to change the entry criteria to accommodate more of the under-represented groups.  While I strongly disagree their beliefs that the standards for this job field should change, it doesn't change the reality that they are in fact under-represented compared to overall population.  To me the issue is that people infer value judgements (on being over/under represented) that imply that there is inherent fairness and value in striving for perfectly even representation of society when that is not the case.        [/quote]

I don't understand why you try to white wash the racial discrimination meaning of "over representation" here. "Over representation" means there are too many of them, it is sth abnormal, it takes away others' opportunity, it's not fair to other races, and so one should put a quote on these people.  It's a label that was applied to Jews in the early 1930s. [/quote]

Saying there is over represented of certain groups in certain activities is a factual statement. Do you disagree with this?[/quote]

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