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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Heat stroke is not fast-acting enough to incapacitate two adults and a dog only 1.5 miles from their car.

In addition the father had the mother's phone when he died. Sounds like at least one of the two adults was delirious because if the mother was going back to the car for help - she would have taken the phone, if not the baby.

The mother was also first aid trained and from California. I can't imagine its not a natural gas/CO thing.[/quote]

In the central valley, I was once outdoors on a day where the high was above 115.  After standing in the direct sun for a couple of hours in the mid-day, I began to have heat stroke.  My vision tunneled and I lost sensation in my hands and feet while I walked a hundred yards or so to a shaded area with misters.  It was like being blackout drunk.  I would absolutely not have made it 1.5 miles hiking through the desert but I also absolutely would never have hiked in the middle of the day either (and I was being a stupid teen to have stayed out that long in the direct sun in the middle of the day).

The only thing I can think of is that maybe they intended to have a short hike, but it ended up staying out much further into the heat of the day and then were overcome before they could make it back.  People who should know better often do things like that and I could see someone one who's never really experienced the heat of that part of CA (which coastal CA doesn't have) not really understanding how bad it gets.  Still, that wouldn't explain there still being water in the camelback and his phone.  I think a dog who was unable to get to shade/water might also pass away in that kind of heat however that assumes the dog couldn't get free while it still had energy.

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I'm the PP who thinks nothing but CO makes sense, maybe toxic algae blooms. I believe in the danger of heat stroke full stop. What I don't believe is that it is plausible that two extremely experienced hikers AND a dog all succumbed to heat stroke simultaneously. That just does not make sense.

I think they went out early Sunday morning or later Sunday evening for a little family hike, this was very close to their house, and something happened. The idea that two extremely experienced parents brought a 1 year old out in 109 degrees without ample protection and then all (and their dog!) succumbed to heat stroke at the exact same moment is just implausible. [/quote]

I don't disagree with you.  I don't think they would have intended to be out with an infant in that kind of heat, so something would have to have caused them to be out much longer than anticipated and then the less affected parent would have to have made the decision to stay with the more affected person instead of taking the baby and going ahead and then the dog succumbed as well without fighting to get away to shade and water.

In other heat stroke events where multiple people have been involved, the parties split up with the less affected person(s) going for help.  Especially with a baby involved, I have a hard time picturing a parent unwilling to take the baby and go ahead for help.
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