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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a bit of a nebulous concept but I think most would say that these kinds of lists are trying to capture some mixture of prestige, student caliber, desirability, teaching quality, and research productivity. While I think PP's list is a good one, I think it leans a bit heavy toward the graduate schools and research output.

My list is pretty much identical to this earlier list upthread:

1. Harvard 
2. Yale 
3. Stanford 
4. Columbia 
5. Princeton 
6. U. Pennsylvania 
7. U. Chicago 
8. Northwestern 
9. Duke 
10. Johns Hopkins

I'm not quite sure UC Berkeley would be considered a top 10 university. For many PhD programs, absolutely. But not many would consider it within the context of these other super-schools.

Caltech, too, strikes me as a bit too small to be included here, although I would also consider it world-class. Along with Juilliard, those two schools sort of occupy polar ends of a spectrum of higher education, and are arguably the world's best in each of their respective domains.
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I disagree that UCB should not be included in the top ten.  After HYPSM, there are about 15 schools that could be considered top ten.  So many posters are stuck on USNWR undergraduate ratings they forget that universities have multiple purposes, and that includes graduate programs.  When a poster asks about the top ten universities in the USA, it shouldn’t automatically exclude the reputation of the entire school.  [/quote]

I don't disagree with you there! While UCB is a powerhouse in academia (one of the best), however, schools like Northwestern & Duke, for example, have stronger law schools, med schools, and in the case of NW, a stronger business school as well. They also have much stronger undergraduate offerings.

As an aside, would throw MIT into that list up top as well.[/quote]
Duke and Northwestern do not have stronger law schools than Berkeley, Berkeley law is considered stronger. Duke has a worse business school and Northwestern is about the same.

Berkeley doesn't have a medical school so comparing medical schools makes no sense. If you want to count UCSF as Berkeley's medical school, it blows Duke and Northwestern's medical school out of the water. [/quote]

Berkeley Law is [b]not[/b] considered stronger than Duke and Northwestern. They're peers within the T14, but Duke and Northwestern historically rank above Berkeley. Northwestern's business school is widely considered a whole tier above Berkeley, not just "about the same."

UCSF is a different school (unless you're also about to claim UCLA's achievements for Berkeley as well).

If you're going to shill Berkeley, at least be a little bit less obvious about it.[/quote]

First of all, you are imagining up medical schools that Berkeley [b]does not have[/b]. You making up a non-existent Berkeley medical schools to compare Northwestern's or Duke's medical schools favorably, which is utterly idiotic. So yes, it makes sense to compare it to the next closest thing - UCSF's medical school which is 20 minutes drive away.

Northwestern's medical school is in Chicago, not Evanston, about as far away. UCLA is 6 hours away from Berkeley, the fact you are bringing UCLA up shows you are a moron.

Berkeley compared to Duke and Northwestern is absolutely hilarious. The latter two are widely known party schools that are regionally respected, perhaps even regionally "prestigious".

The fact you are brining up "historical" rankings when arguing against the fact that Berkeley is ranked higher is hilarious. Duke's law school has always been at the lower end of the T14 below the state schools, in fact even regionally UVA's law school has always been considered better. Northwestern's law school has generally been lower than Berkeley as well, to argue that its better in any form is hilarious.

Berkeley and Northwestern are not in separate "tiers" for business schools, lmao. There's a top tier of Harvard, Wharton, Stanford and perhaps Booth. Northwestern is no where close to that tier. It's in the next tier with Columbia, Berkeley, Michigan, etc. 
Berkeley is renowned world-wide as a top university.[/quote]

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