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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because it divides the kids. It divides them socially. It divides them academically. It affect their friendships, and how they view themselves academically. In most cases, this division is based on rather infinitesimal differences. The students could be educated in the same classroom. And should be. NP here.[/quote]

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There are rare cases - on both ends of the spectrum - where kids might need a special learning environment.  The vast majority do not.  Enough of this crazy segregation.  Just improve the curriculum for ALL kids.[/quote]

Guess what? The vast majority of kids are NOT in AAP.  So there you go. It’s fine.[/quote]

depending on the school, just under half are.[/quote]

Yep.  At center schools, it’s practically 50/50.  Very divisive.  And for no reason.[/quote]

Teachers cannot provide the type of education that is needed to 4-5 groups of kids in their classroom. Kids who are advanced, whether that is because their parents read to them, played math games, and supplement or because they are bright or gifted, need to be challenged at school. Asking a Teacher to teach kids who are SPED, kids who are struggling, kids who are on grade level, and kids who are advanced when they have 25-30 kids in the classroom is inefficient. The kids who are advanced end up in reading groups/math groups that work solo and seldom work with the Teacher. Their needs are not met because they are going to pass exams and advance to the next grade with little help.

We wouldn't think of cutting SPED classes because the kids need those services, why would we cut AAP when there are kids who need those services. Or should we allow kids who are ahead of their classmates to be bored in a classroom and receive little instruction that challenges them?

[b]Kids have options in Middle School and High School so that they can take classes that are more challenging while others take a class that is less in depth because that is a good fit for them. Elementary School kids do not have that choice. Why should kids who are ahead or advanced have to wait for Middle School be able to take classes that are interesting and challenging for them? [/b][/quote]

then make aap a choice. Problem solved, no more complaint about admissions or appeals, no more bemoaning a lack of minorities. If a kid and their family want it, they request it and get it [/quote]

I am fine with making AAP a choice if parents will accept the Teachers decision to remove their kid from the class. I don't think AAP should be a guarantee, I think that there are kids who should be moved out of the class. I would love to see that change so it is easier to move kids in who need AAP and move kids out who are struggling. And by struggling I mean 1s and 2s.

I don't want to see kids pushed into AAP and then slow the class down because the Teachers feel like they cannot remove a kid who doesn't belong in that class. I don't want to see Teachers not Teaching the entire curriculum because there are kids who are struggling. And I just don't see parents accepting that the Teacher doesn't see their kid as doing well in the class.

We are not wed to AAP as the end all and be all, DS placement has been deferred because he is in a language immersion program and we love that program for him. The language immersion, combined with Advanced Math and Level III pull outs, meet his needs. We have seen kids drop out of the language but I know Parents who were counseled that their kid was not doing well in the language and it was recommended that they drop out but the parents bristled and the kid is still in the language. THey are now struggling in math and science and the language. Why? Because the parents don't want their kid in Gen Ed, and we are at a good ES. I can see the same issues with AAP if it was not based on selection.

Perhaps the better option is an annual review of each kid in the class and kids removed and added based on their current needs. [/quote]

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