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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just googling around:

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (everyone):  $53,175  (https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Entry-Level-Bachelors-Degree-Salary-in-Washington,DC)

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (teacher):  $56,313  (https://dcps.dc.gov/node/1057802)

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The entry level pay isn’t the problem, it’s the pay in the middle of the scale. How much is that teacher making after 5 or 10 years? Because a fed will get grade increases every year until they Max out their job series grade, then they can either go supervisor or try to move into another position with a higher ceiling. The job series for my husband’s former position tops out at a 13 but most go into supervisor 14/15 jobs after that. The usual job series is 7-9-11-12 and a good employee will hit 9 and 11 after 1 year each. So at the beginning of their 3rd year as a fed they’d be making 72k. [/quote]

^^no matter what data you give to these people, they will always claim that something ELSE is the problem. Like I could go out of my way to point out that teachers also get increases every year, and that they can also train for higher positions, but it wouldn't matter. Next she'd say that the problem is at the high end. Or in general prestige or comparing master's degrees or something. There's no point in arguing with someone who produces no actual non-anecdotal data and who rejects all of your data because they don't like the conclusion.[/quote]

Lol. I’m actually a parent, anti-unions in general, have been appalled at teachers this whole time. The problem is low teacher pay around here. It doesn’t attract good, smart people to the field. Look at how they type. There’s some teacher on the VA schools board who can’t understand apostrophe usage. They’re a bunch of career changers and people getting their MRS degrees. You can’t attract better people to field without better pay. Yes I get that the contracts are for 10 months but at some point, the pay is the pay, and any summer job they’d get would likely be in the $10-$15/hr range so doesn’t make up for the 2 months in the summer.

Better pay and then align benefits to be more like the private sector. People need money now to pay those student loans, not the promise of a pension in the future ... maybe. We treat teaching as a “calling,” some noble thing like being a nun or something, that we then justify paying teachers less. It needs to be professionalized just like any other occupation. [/quote]

The pay IS aligned with the private sector.  Read the above cited stats.  Teachers make comparable or more than others with similar backgrounds.  And that's not even including what they could make in the summer.  I would also imagine that teachers receive better benefits, on average, and get more holidays, etc.  I agree that there are shit aspects of teaching, but there are also nice aspects.  It seems at least in unionized areas it is very difficult to get fired for doing a crappy job, so that's a plus (on par with government employees).

I also agree that there are some real duds in the teaching profession, but there are duds in any job.  Are they on average duds?  Are the majority duds?  I don't think so.

I'm also sort of at a crossroads as to whether teaching is some put-upon profession or whether it is an average-to-slightly-better-than-average job.  I used to really agree that teachers got the shit-end of the stick, but looking at data and thinking about it, it's really not that bad.[/quote]

Do you hope and dream that your kids will become a teacher? 
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