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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.[/quote] Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business. [/quote] To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student. [/quote] If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person [/quote] WOW! I thought that no one could get into Harvard without at least 1420+ (at bare minimum). That makes me angry. Sorry. Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats. [/quote] Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.[/quote] Stats aren’t everything cuz it’s “holistic.” That’s where H goes wrong. All their URM grads are holding less than perfect sheepskin cuz stats aren’t everything. It’s “holistic” where the society at large evaluate their URM graduates who can’t perform as well as UCLA or UC Berkeley grads. [/quote] Well, your behavior in this thread and the demonstration of the poor way in which you think is a big clue why your child would be passed over, assuming your child exhibits similar characteristics and tendencies. You, simply, are not elite college material. Your child probably is not, either.[/quote] It’s a fact that URMs with H degrees don’t have the same life outcome as whites. [/quote] As another PP mentioned, this is due to systemic racism. [/quote] Employers are simply discounting the Harvard premium when factoring in Harvard URMs, legacies, sports, etc. [/quote] Got data? Sounds like wishful thinking. The Harvard students in those categories have their pick of top firms/positions. Many of the legacies and athletes are well liked and know how to read. On top of that, they come off as much more intelligent than average or even above-average state school kids. [/quote] There’s an article posted above that shows Harvard isn’t all that. Harvard law and medical schools routinely reject Harvard undergrads. [/quote] Also check out the article posted above that shows Harvard URM’s average SAT is below 1200. Below 1200 typically get a student into mediocre state universities. No, they DO NOT “come off as much more intelligent than average or even above-average state school kids.“[/quote][/quote] You probably scored below 1200 because if you read and comprehended the article it says that 1170 is the cutoff for URMs for Harvard to reach out to you to see if you want to apply. It’s not even the average score of URM applicants or much less of URM admits. [/quote] 1170 is a pretty low bar. You can find kids with higher stats at any local community college. [/quote] At every community college? Maybe one kid. Although it seems at that score point cc to 4 year might be a better option because a kid might be a conscientious student but won’t get into UVa or VT at that range. My kid got about 200 points higher than that and the thought of them applying to Harvard would’ve been ludicrous.[/quote] 1170 is pretty close to being the national SAT average. If you read the article carefully, it tells you Harvard admits more URM kids with 550 SAT math than 650 or over. [/quote] People as patently stupid as you should not be allowed to comment on anyone else’s intelligence: “In 2009, the number of African American applicants with scores above 640 was more than double the number of applicants with scores below 550. But for the Class of 2012, there were fewer African American applicants with math scores above 640 than below 550.“ Applicants =\= admits. The entire point of the article is criticizing Harvard for recruiting URM applicants who have no chance of being admitted. [/quote] Read again. The stats were exposed during the litigation. [/quote] Boy you are doubling down on this. Average SAT scores for African American admits were in the 1400-1420 range. This is the data Harvard provided and was accepted by the expert for the plaintiff. See page 26 https://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Doc-415-1-Arcidiacono-Expert-Report.pdf [/quote] You do know that is way, way lower than the average admit, let alone the average Asian admit?[/quote] Yes but that wasn’t the point. The point was that URMs were in the 1170-1200 range. Move the goal posts all you want but at least admit you were wrong and misleading on that point. By way of comparison- all admits to Notre Dame averaged about 1475. Berkeley is around 1400. Duke is 1450. UVA is 1400. [/quote] You are illiterate! And the article is old! 1170-1200 is not the admitted student range. They encouraged kids to apply who could not and did not get in. Here is the actual information from the Harvard Crimson: **** Over an 18-year period stretching from 1995 to 2013, Asian-American students admitted to Harvard scored higher on the SAT than did their peer admits from other racial groups, according to data released in the admissions trial last week. A Crimson analysis of the previously confidential dataset — which spans admissions cycles starting with the Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — revealed that Asian-Americans admitted to Harvard earned an average SAT score of 767 across all sections. Every section of the SAT has a maximum score of 800. By comparison, white admits earned an average score of 745 across all sections, Hispanic-American admits earned an average of 718, Native-American and Native-Hawaiian admits an average of 712, and African-American admits an average of 704. The same general pattern held true for Harvard applicants belonging to these racial groups in this time period. Asian-American applicants on average scored highest on the SAT and African-American applicants scored lowest. *** https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/ PP is exaggerating the gap and the Asian scores are not so much higher than anyone other group. [/quote]
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